The Youngest Workers in the Oldest Profession:
Is Teen Prostitution a “Victimless Crime“?

Libertarians — By on June 3, 2004 at 4:09 pm

Authorities in Brockton, MA are probing an alleged junior high prostitution racket run by a 13-year-old girl. The accused teen is even suspected of pressuring her mentally impaired friend into turning tricks for as little as $5. According to sources quoted in the Boston Herald, the trysts had been going on for weeks and involve as many as 20 boys from the local junior high and high school. The case came to the attention of the authorities when two girls told school officials they were solicited by the accused junior high madame to join the upstart sex ring. A third girl also came forward later to corroborate the claim.
Many people will read this story and assume it is further evidence that the our sex-soaked culture is trickling down and infecting our youth. While there is a great deal of merit in that view, I think that we shouldn’t read too much into this one incident. Teen prostitution has been around as long as their have been teens and prostitutes. That is to say, for as long as mankind has been on the earth.
The only reason I mention the story is that it provides a prime opportunity to explore the differences between libertarian and conservative political philosophies. The two are so often lumped together that we often need remind ourselves just how distinct, and often incompatible, the ideologies truly are. By focusing on this nexus of teen sex and prostitution, I think we have a clear dividing line to help sharpen our focus.


Unfortunately, I haven’t found any libertarians who have commented on the story, so Ive decided to construct their side of the argument myself using previous commentary on the relevant topics. Naturally, there’s a danger in assuming what others would say and I want to avoid, as far as possible, constructing a straw man argument. In order to do that, I’ve decided to base my claims on previous remarks made by Will Baude of Cresent Sententia. Though I don’t know Mr. Baude all that well, we’ve discussed issues of sex before when he brought up the advantages of pre-sexual marriage. Since he’s unfailing polite, a rigorous thinker, and takes unflinchingly libertarian positions, I think he’ll make a quite adequate choice for a resource. (Naturally, I could just ask him what he thinks. But what would the fun be in that?)
Baude has three distinct positions that I think are relevant to the issue. The first is his view of sex, in which he advocates that, in his words, “consensual-sex-is-always-fine.” The second is his view of prostitution. Like most libertarians he considers it a “victim-less” crime and should not be illegal. Baude takes it a step further, however, by stating that he is “pro-vice” and that a certain amount of vice is beneficial. The final relevant position is the issue of consent. Baude and Sara Butler from Diotima have been discussing the topic of child consent in the context of the Little Miss Hooters incident. His primary argument on that issue is that parents can’t give consent for sexual acts and that the LMH contest bordered on such an act. But he does think that the degree of consent that a child is able to give shifts with age (“…it’s absolutely nuts to give parents the same control over a 3 year old as a 10 year old as a 17 year old.).
Rather than belabor the point, I will simply assume the following:

  • 13 year olds are old enough to consent to sex with other minors.
  • Since the sex is consensual, there is nothing wrong with these teens engaging in sex acts.
  • Since prostitution is not only a victim-less crime but can even have certain “benefits” (at least to the prostitute and her client), it should be legal.
  • From this I presume that Baude would agree that a 13 year old madam turning tricks for money to buy Britney Spears CDs would be acceptable under the tenets of libertarian philosophy. Like all adult prostitution, it would essentially be a “victimless crime.” Upon hearing this claim they typical conservative would — after being revived with smelling salts — vehemently disagree. But before I build the conservative case against teen prostitution, I will pause and allow the libertarians (including Baude, who I am essentially blind-siding with this post) a chance to comment on the libertarian argument I have built.
    (Hat tip: World for the link to the story and to Diotoma for the links to Baude’s recent posts.)



    • http://www.blindmindseye.com/ Mike

      Joe,
      Once again you blow it on libertarian philosophy. Even the LP at its worst always frames issues as being between “consenting adults.” The libertarian attitude on adulthood is very simple. If you and a court of law agree that you are mature enough to be emancipated, you can be a full adult. Otherwise you’re a child.

    • http://www.blindmindseye.com/ Mike

      Joe,
      Once again you blow it on libertarian philosophy. Even the LP at its worst always frames issues as being between “consenting adults.” The libertarian attitude on adulthood is very simple. If you and a court of law agree that you are mature enough to be emancipated, you can be a full adult. Otherwise you’re a child.

    • http://www.blindmindseye.com Mike

      Joe,
      Once again you blow it on libertarian philosophy. Even the LP at its worst always frames issues as being between “consenting adults.” The libertarian attitude on adulthood is very simple. If you and a court of law agree that you are mature enough to be emancipated, you can be a full adult. Otherwise you’re a child.

    • http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com/ Joe Carter

      Mike,
      But why would Libertarians allow the government to determine when adulthood starts? The issue of when adulthood starts has always been a matter of some contention between different cultures. Why give the government regulatory authority on this issue but not on others.
      Also, physically speaking, the teenager is ready for sexual relations so why should the government set the arbitrary standard of “emancipation from parents” as the standard determining factor? intervene at all?

    • http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com/ Joe Carter

      Mike,
      But why would Libertarians allow the government to determine when adulthood starts? The issue of when adulthood starts has always been a matter of some contention between different cultures. Why give the government regulatory authority on this issue but not on others.
      Also, physically speaking, the teenager is ready for sexual relations so why should the government set the arbitrary standard of “emancipation from parents” as the standard determining factor? intervene at all?

    • http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com Joe Carter

      Mike,
      But why would Libertarians allow the government to determine when adulthood starts? The issue of when adulthood starts has always been a matter of some contention between different cultures. Why give the government regulatory authority on this issue but not on others.
      Also, physically speaking, the teenager is ready for sexual relations so why should the government set the arbitrary standard of “emancipation from parents” as the standard determining factor? intervene at all?

    • estarbaby

      How can one characterize as teenage prostitution as a “victimless crime”?
      Certainly you can say that “physically speaking a teenageer is of age”, but if one is going to take that point of view and run with it, they should also be allowed to have full-time jobs, families, drive, drink, and carry guns.
      Suffice to say, teenagers in 2004 are not what teenagers were in 1450, as an example.
      In 1450, people were married by 12, had children at 13 and died at 40 or 50.
      Teenagers, young people, children, were also raised, and held to a higher standard of responsibility then.
      In 2004, if you are 25 unmarried and still living at home, it is not outside of the societal norm.
      In 1450, if you were 25 an unmarried, you had better hope you were a nun or monk.
      To say that prostitution is a victimless crime, leaving out the teenage component, it a moronic statement in and of itself.
      Prostitution is a trade that flouorishes in an environment of moral depravity, economic and spiritual desparation.
      Prostitutes of any age are preyed upon by drug dealers, pimps and even corrupt law enforcement.
      Women or girls in this position are at the lowest of the low.
      They have no where to turn, and many, if they could, would leave.
      Teenage prostitution is simply lowering the age of the victim, thereby making it that much more tragic.

    • estarbaby

      How can one characterize as teenage prostitution as a “victimless crime”?
      Certainly you can say that “physically speaking a teenageer is of age”, but if one is going to take that point of view and run with it, they should also be allowed to have full-time jobs, families, drive, drink, and carry guns.
      Suffice to say, teenagers in 2004 are not what teenagers were in 1450, as an example.
      In 1450, people were married by 12, had children at 13 and died at 40 or 50.
      Teenagers, young people, children, were also raised, and held to a higher standard of responsibility then.
      In 2004, if you are 25 unmarried and still living at home, it is not outside of the societal norm.
      In 1450, if you were 25 an unmarried, you had better hope you were a nun or monk.
      To say that prostitution is a victimless crime, leaving out the teenage component, it a moronic statement in and of itself.
      Prostitution is a trade that flouorishes in an environment of moral depravity, economic and spiritual desparation.
      Prostitutes of any age are preyed upon by drug dealers, pimps and even corrupt law enforcement.
      Women or girls in this position are at the lowest of the low.
      They have no where to turn, and many, if they could, would leave.
      Teenage prostitution is simply lowering the age of the victim, thereby making it that much more tragic.

    • estarbaby

      How can one characterize as teenage prostitution as a “victimless crime”?
      Certainly you can say that “physically speaking a teenageer is of age”, but if one is going to take that point of view and run with it, they should also be allowed to have full-time jobs, families, drive, drink, and carry guns.
      Suffice to say, teenagers in 2004 are not what teenagers were in 1450, as an example.
      In 1450, people were married by 12, had children at 13 and died at 40 or 50.
      Teenagers, young people, children, were also raised, and held to a higher standard of responsibility then.
      In 2004, if you are 25 unmarried and still living at home, it is not outside of the societal norm.
      In 1450, if you were 25 an unmarried, you had better hope you were a nun or monk.
      To say that prostitution is a victimless crime, leaving out the teenage component, it a moronic statement in and of itself.
      Prostitution is a trade that flouorishes in an environment of moral depravity, economic and spiritual desparation.
      Prostitutes of any age are preyed upon by drug dealers, pimps and even corrupt law enforcement.
      Women or girls in this position are at the lowest of the low.
      They have no where to turn, and many, if they could, would leave.
      Teenage prostitution is simply lowering the age of the victim, thereby making it that much more tragic.

    • http://www.blindmindseye.com/ Mike

      Joe,
      Why have laws at all? Sometimes I wonder if you have the ability to separate anarchism and libertarianism, now being one of them. The reason that the government is allowed to set a base line for typical age of majority is to keep order and establish a typical legal standard of responsibility. We believe that the government can also emancipate those who are ready at earlier ages than 18 if they are in fact genuinely ready.
      This is all about establishing a standard legal threshold, nothing more. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand.

    • http://www.blindmindseye.com/ Mike

      Joe,
      Why have laws at all? Sometimes I wonder if you have the ability to separate anarchism and libertarianism, now being one of them. The reason that the government is allowed to set a base line for typical age of majority is to keep order and establish a typical legal standard of responsibility. We believe that the government can also emancipate those who are ready at earlier ages than 18 if they are in fact genuinely ready.
      This is all about establishing a standard legal threshold, nothing more. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand.

    • http://www.blindmindseye.com Mike

      Joe,
      Why have laws at all? Sometimes I wonder if you have the ability to separate anarchism and libertarianism, now being one of them. The reason that the government is allowed to set a base line for typical age of majority is to keep order and establish a typical legal standard of responsibility. We believe that the government can also emancipate those who are ready at earlier ages than 18 if they are in fact genuinely ready.
      This is all about establishing a standard legal threshold, nothing more. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand.

    • Larry Lord

      ” if one is going to take that point of view and run with it, they should also be allowed to have full-time jobs, families, drive, drink, and carry guns.”
      Um, am I wrong about my belief that back in the “dark ages” of, say, 1950, teenagers in quite a few states were legally allowed to do most if not all of those things …?

    • Larry Lord

      ” if one is going to take that point of view and run with it, they should also be allowed to have full-time jobs, families, drive, drink, and carry guns.”
      Um, am I wrong about my belief that back in the “dark ages” of, say, 1950, teenagers in quite a few states were legally allowed to do most if not all of those things …?

    • Larry Lord

      ” if one is going to take that point of view and run with it, they should also be allowed to have full-time jobs, families, drive, drink, and carry guns.”
      Um, am I wrong about my belief that back in the “dark ages” of, say, 1950, teenagers in quite a few states were legally allowed to do most if not all of those things …?

    • David Marcoe

      “Why have laws at all? Sometimes I wonder if you have the ability to separate anarchism and libertarianism, now being one of them. The reason that the government is allowed to set a base line for typical age of majority is to keep order and establish a typical legal standard of responsibility. We believe that the government can also emancipate those who are ready at earlier ages than 18 if they are in fact genuinely ready.”
      Isn’t that a “statist” argument? Some of the most influential (and, admittedly, most extreme) libertarians advocate as little government as possible (with some advocating virtually no government at all), in favor of market forces and voluntary organization. Accroding to that axiom, the government shouldn’t be involved in setting any standard. Now in practice, Mike, you are taking a more conservative position, arguing for some regulation.
      But Mike, Joe isn’t getting it wrong. You can’t separate the most hardcore forms of libertarian thought from anarchism, except for the faith that many libertarians place in human nature and instinct. That is why many libertarians call themselves anarchists, minarchists, and anarcho-capitalists.
      In practice, many libertarians end up with a view point closer to classical liberals (yes, I do separate those two groups) in which minimal government is still emphasized, but the pie in the sky dream of a hyper-capitalist society with no politicians is a dim vision of the minority, at best.
      Now don’t get me wrong, I’m a capitalist, even an Austrian School capitalist, but I don’t place as much faith in the market as Ayn Rand and I don’t always see government as a loathsome evil. I just make sure I always have a cattle prod at ready to “persuade” my local politician about the right course of action.

    • David Marcoe

      “Why have laws at all? Sometimes I wonder if you have the ability to separate anarchism and libertarianism, now being one of them. The reason that the government is allowed to set a base line for typical age of majority is to keep order and establish a typical legal standard of responsibility. We believe that the government can also emancipate those who are ready at earlier ages than 18 if they are in fact genuinely ready.”
      Isn’t that a “statist” argument? Some of the most influential (and, admittedly, most extreme) libertarians advocate as little government as possible (with some advocating virtually no government at all), in favor of market forces and voluntary organization. Accroding to that axiom, the government shouldn’t be involved in setting any standard. Now in practice, Mike, you are taking a more conservative position, arguing for some regulation.
      But Mike, Joe isn’t getting it wrong. You can’t separate the most hardcore forms of libertarian thought from anarchism, except for the faith that many libertarians place in human nature and instinct. That is why many libertarians call themselves anarchists, minarchists, and anarcho-capitalists.
      In practice, many libertarians end up with a view point closer to classical liberals (yes, I do separate those two groups) in which minimal government is still emphasized, but the pie in the sky dream of a hyper-capitalist society with no politicians is a dim vision of the minority, at best.
      Now don’t get me wrong, I’m a capitalist, even an Austrian School capitalist, but I don’t place as much faith in the market as Ayn Rand and I don’t always see government as a loathsome evil. I just make sure I always have a cattle prod at ready to “persuade” my local politician about the right course of action.

    • David Marcoe

      “Why have laws at all? Sometimes I wonder if you have the ability to separate anarchism and libertarianism, now being one of them. The reason that the government is allowed to set a base line for typical age of majority is to keep order and establish a typical legal standard of responsibility. We believe that the government can also emancipate those who are ready at earlier ages than 18 if they are in fact genuinely ready.”
      Isn’t that a “statist” argument? Some of the most influential (and, admittedly, most extreme) libertarians advocate as little government as possible (with some advocating virtually no government at all), in favor of market forces and voluntary organization. Accroding to that axiom, the government shouldn’t be involved in setting any standard. Now in practice, Mike, you are taking a more conservative position, arguing for some regulation.
      But Mike, Joe isn’t getting it wrong. You can’t separate the most hardcore forms of libertarian thought from anarchism, except for the faith that many libertarians place in human nature and instinct. That is why many libertarians call themselves anarchists, minarchists, and anarcho-capitalists.
      In practice, many libertarians end up with a view point closer to classical liberals (yes, I do separate those two groups) in which minimal government is still emphasized, but the pie in the sky dream of a hyper-capitalist society with no politicians is a dim vision of the minority, at best.
      Now don’t get me wrong, I’m a capitalist, even an Austrian School capitalist, but I don’t place as much faith in the market as Ayn Rand and I don’t always see government as a loathsome evil. I just make sure I always have a cattle prod at ready to “persuade” my local politician about the right course of action.

    • http://www.blindmindseye.com/ Mike

      But Mike, Joe isn’t getting it wrong. You can’t separate the most hardcore forms of libertarian thought from anarchism, except for the faith that many libertarians place in human nature and instinct. That is why many libertarians call themselves anarchists, minarchists, and anarcho-capitalists.

      David,
      The issue is that Joe consistently and deliberately tries to define all of the libertarian factions by the standard of the smallest fringe. It would be like me using the John Birch Society to define all conservatives. All Joe ends up doing on issues involving libertarianism is prove that if you run far enough out into a field you’ll find a strawman eventually.

    • http://www.blindmindseye.com/ Mike

      But Mike, Joe isn’t getting it wrong. You can’t separate the most hardcore forms of libertarian thought from anarchism, except for the faith that many libertarians place in human nature and instinct. That is why many libertarians call themselves anarchists, minarchists, and anarcho-capitalists.

      David,
      The issue is that Joe consistently and deliberately tries to define all of the libertarian factions by the standard of the smallest fringe. It would be like me using the John Birch Society to define all conservatives. All Joe ends up doing on issues involving libertarianism is prove that if you run far enough out into a field you’ll find a strawman eventually.

    • http://www.blindmindseye.com Mike

      But Mike, Joe isn’t getting it wrong. You can’t separate the most hardcore forms of libertarian thought from anarchism, except for the faith that many libertarians place in human nature and instinct. That is why many libertarians call themselves anarchists, minarchists, and anarcho-capitalists.

      David,
      The issue is that Joe consistently and deliberately tries to define all of the libertarian factions by the standard of the smallest fringe. It would be like me using the John Birch Society to define all conservatives. All Joe ends up doing on issues involving libertarianism is prove that if you run far enough out into a field you’ll find a strawman eventually.

    • http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com/ Joe Carter

      Mike,
      It would be like me using the John Birch Society to define all conservatives.
      Hold on there. Are you trying to imply that there are conservative who aren’t members of JBS? That’s just nuts. ; )

    • http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com/ Joe Carter

      Mike,
      It would be like me using the John Birch Society to define all conservatives.
      Hold on there. Are you trying to imply that there are conservative who aren’t members of JBS? That’s just nuts. ; )

    • http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com Joe Carter

      Mike,
      It would be like me using the John Birch Society to define all conservatives.
      Hold on there. Are you trying to imply that there are conservative who aren’t members of JBS? That’s just nuts. ; )

    • Mr. Moderate

      You don’t have to go back to the middle ages to find teen marriage. Virginia law still allows it:
      http://usmarriagelaws.com/search/united_states/virginia/index.shtml
      The minimum age is 16. If they are under 18 and the girl isn’t pregnant it requires the consent of their proper gaurdians. If the girl is pregnant, the state is willing to make exceptions. Go figure…

    • Mr. Moderate

      You don’t have to go back to the middle ages to find teen marriage. Virginia law still allows it:
      http://usmarriagelaws.com/search/united_states/virginia/index.shtml
      The minimum age is 16. If they are under 18 and the girl isn’t pregnant it requires the consent of their proper gaurdians. If the girl is pregnant, the state is willing to make exceptions. Go figure…

    • Mr. Moderate

      You don’t have to go back to the middle ages to find teen marriage. Virginia law still allows it:
      http://usmarriagelaws.com/search/united_states/virginia/index.shtml
      The minimum age is 16. If they are under 18 and the girl isn’t pregnant it requires the consent of their proper gaurdians. If the girl is pregnant, the state is willing to make exceptions. Go figure…

    • Mr. Moderate

      Looking into it more it turns out Georgia has similar provisions and also allows cousins to marry:
      http://usmarriagelaws.com/search/united_states/georgia/index.shtml

    • Mr. Moderate

      Looking into it more it turns out Georgia has similar provisions and also allows cousins to marry:
      http://usmarriagelaws.com/search/united_states/georgia/index.shtml

    • Mr. Moderate

      Looking into it more it turns out Georgia has similar provisions and also allows cousins to marry:
      http://usmarriagelaws.com/search/united_states/georgia/index.shtml

    • David Marcoe

      Most States allow teen marriage with the writ of a judge and/or the permission of guardians. In fact teen marriage is not that uncommon, even in this day and age. There was one celebrity (I forget his name) who was late twenties to mid-thirties and married a thirteen year old who was his second or third cousin and got her pregnant not long after (of course that was in the 60s or 70s). My great grand mother was married at thirteen and divorced with kids by fifteen. She moved from Arkansas to Arizona after the divorce. I don’t know why anybody would want to know that. Just interesting I guess…

    • David Marcoe

      Most States allow teen marriage with the writ of a judge and/or the permission of guardians. In fact teen marriage is not that uncommon, even in this day and age. There was one celebrity (I forget his name) who was late twenties to mid-thirties and married a thirteen year old who was his second or third cousin and got her pregnant not long after (of course that was in the 60s or 70s). My great grand mother was married at thirteen and divorced with kids by fifteen. She moved from Arkansas to Arizona after the divorce. I don’t know why anybody would want to know that. Just interesting I guess…

    • David Marcoe

      Most States allow teen marriage with the writ of a judge and/or the permission of guardians. In fact teen marriage is not that uncommon, even in this day and age. There was one celebrity (I forget his name) who was late twenties to mid-thirties and married a thirteen year old who was his second or third cousin and got her pregnant not long after (of course that was in the 60s or 70s). My great grand mother was married at thirteen and divorced with kids by fifteen. She moved from Arkansas to Arizona after the divorce. I don’t know why anybody would want to know that. Just interesting I guess…

    • David Marcoe

      “The issue is that Joe consistently and deliberately tries to define all of the libertarian factions by the standard of the smallest fringe. It would be like me using the John Birch Society to define all conservatives. All Joe ends up doing on issues involving libertarianism is prove that if you run far enough out into a field you’ll find a strawman eventually.”
      Point taken, but given the LP candidate, I wouldn’t say it is such a fringe. Then again, it may just be a case of libertarians shooting themselves in the foot. A lot of people are attracted to planks of the libertarian platform/point of view, but when some of the more eccentric pundits open their mouths, it deflates a lot of interest from the general public.
      On a personal not, I call myself a classical liberal, as opposed to a moderate libertarian (the moniker I once used). I found libertarianism to dogmatic. Many libertarians want to force simplistic solutions on to situations that won’t have it, which is a shame, because libertarians have some very valuable insights and some nice down and dirty libby tactics would be nice to see from someone in high office.

    • David Marcoe

      “The issue is that Joe consistently and deliberately tries to define all of the libertarian factions by the standard of the smallest fringe. It would be like me using the John Birch Society to define all conservatives. All Joe ends up doing on issues involving libertarianism is prove that if you run far enough out into a field you’ll find a strawman eventually.”
      Point taken, but given the LP candidate, I wouldn’t say it is such a fringe. Then again, it may just be a case of libertarians shooting themselves in the foot. A lot of people are attracted to planks of the libertarian platform/point of view, but when some of the more eccentric pundits open their mouths, it deflates a lot of interest from the general public.
      On a personal not, I call myself a classical liberal, as opposed to a moderate libertarian (the moniker I once used). I found libertarianism to dogmatic. Many libertarians want to force simplistic solutions on to situations that won’t have it, which is a shame, because libertarians have some very valuable insights and some nice down and dirty libby tactics would be nice to see from someone in high office.

    • David Marcoe

      “The issue is that Joe consistently and deliberately tries to define all of the libertarian factions by the standard of the smallest fringe. It would be like me using the John Birch Society to define all conservatives. All Joe ends up doing on issues involving libertarianism is prove that if you run far enough out into a field you’ll find a strawman eventually.”
      Point taken, but given the LP candidate, I wouldn’t say it is such a fringe. Then again, it may just be a case of libertarians shooting themselves in the foot. A lot of people are attracted to planks of the libertarian platform/point of view, but when some of the more eccentric pundits open their mouths, it deflates a lot of interest from the general public.
      On a personal not, I call myself a classical liberal, as opposed to a moderate libertarian (the moniker I once used). I found libertarianism to dogmatic. Many libertarians want to force simplistic solutions on to situations that won’t have it, which is a shame, because libertarians have some very valuable insights and some nice down and dirty libby tactics would be nice to see from someone in high office.

    • http://www.blindmindseye.com/ Mike

      I just call myself a libertarian because it’s easier to explain in mixed company than (classical) liberal.

    • http://www.blindmindseye.com/ Mike

      I just call myself a libertarian because it’s easier to explain in mixed company than (classical) liberal.

    • http://www.blindmindseye.com Mike

      I just call myself a libertarian because it’s easier to explain in mixed company than (classical) liberal.

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    • Nick

      I am a Police Officer in Los Angeles working in what people consider the most violent area of the United States. I become flabergasted reading comments posted by people who have no expeirence working the trenches. It’s real easy to sit back, read a few books and give an opinion. Whats more amazing is that people with no expeirence at all write books and then become so called experts in the field. What a joke.
      Prostitution is not a victimeless crime. There is crime associated with prostitution. The johns or prostitutes get robbed,stabbed,raped, and murdered. So one of them is a victim. There are the children of the prostitute who are neglected, endangered, and abused. They become a victim. The drug trade is affluent within the population of prostitutes. The sale, use, and abuse of various narcotics.
      What peole tend to forget, is that the prostitutes arent unskilled laborers. Most of them have had decent jobs, but due to some event they get sucked down into this environment.
      There is no such thing as a victimless crime. Before you disagree with me, go get some real life expeirence working in the trenches. Then and maybe then your opinion will mean something

    • Nick

      I am a Police Officer in Los Angeles working in what people consider the most violent area of the United States. I become flabergasted reading comments posted by people who have no expeirence working the trenches. It’s real easy to sit back, read a few books and give an opinion. Whats more amazing is that people with no expeirence at all write books and then become so called experts in the field. What a joke.
      Prostitution is not a victimeless crime. There is crime associated with prostitution. The johns or prostitutes get robbed,stabbed,raped, and murdered. So one of them is a victim. There are the children of the prostitute who are neglected, endangered, and abused. They become a victim. The drug trade is affluent within the population of prostitutes. The sale, use, and abuse of various narcotics.
      What peole tend to forget, is that the prostitutes arent unskilled laborers. Most of them have had decent jobs, but due to some event they get sucked down into this environment.
      There is no such thing as a victimless crime. Before you disagree with me, go get some real life expeirence working in the trenches. Then and maybe then your opinion will mean something

    • Nick

      I am a Police Officer in Los Angeles working in what people consider the most violent area of the United States. I become flabergasted reading comments posted by people who have no expeirence working the trenches. It’s real easy to sit back, read a few books and give an opinion. Whats more amazing is that people with no expeirence at all write books and then become so called experts in the field. What a joke.
      Prostitution is not a victimeless crime. There is crime associated with prostitution. The johns or prostitutes get robbed,stabbed,raped, and murdered. So one of them is a victim. There are the children of the prostitute who are neglected, endangered, and abused. They become a victim. The drug trade is affluent within the population of prostitutes. The sale, use, and abuse of various narcotics.
      What peole tend to forget, is that the prostitutes arent unskilled laborers. Most of them have had decent jobs, but due to some event they get sucked down into this environment.
      There is no such thing as a victimless crime. Before you disagree with me, go get some real life expeirence working in the trenches. Then and maybe then your opinion will mean something

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