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Cloning — By on August 24, 2004 at 10:52 pm

According to an article by the Associated Press, Sarah Bianchi, national policy director for the Kerry campaign, claims that the Senator is “absolutely not” suggesting creating embryos for the sole purpose of research. This statement is evidence of:

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  • sandra simons

    This person, Kerry makes me sick. It scares me to death that he could possibly be the next leader of our country. Wake up America, Kerry is very scary. Investigate before you vote.

  • sandra simons

    This person, Kerry makes me sick. It scares me to death that he could possibly be the next leader of our country. Wake up America, Kerry is very scary. Investigate before you vote.

  • http://www.leanleft.com/ Kevin T. Keith

    Will Kerry continue to stand by this position once the Republicans begin pointing out that he supports

  • http://www.leanleft.com Kevin T. Keith

    Will Kerry continue to stand by this position once the Republicans begin pointing out that he supports

  • ~DS~

    Come on now. In all fairness we can easily contruct the appearance of ‘flip-flopping’ for anyone:
    Flipflopping for Big Business:
    CANDIDATE BUSH PRAISES TEXAS PATIENTS’ RIGHT TO SUE… “We’re one of the first states that said you can sue an HMO for denying you proper coverage… It’s time for our nation to come together and do what’s right for the people. And I think this is right for the people. You know, I support a national patients’ bill of rights, Mr. Vice President. And I want all people covered. I don’t want the law to supersede good law like we’ve got in Texas.” [Governor Bush, 10/17/00]
    GOVERNOR BUSH VETOES PATIENTS’ RIGHT TO SUE… “Despite his campaign rhetoric in favor of a patients’ bill of rights, Bush fought such a bill tooth and nail as Texas governor, vetoing a bill coauthored by Republican state Rep. John Smithee in 1995. He… constantly opposed a patient’s right to sue an HMO over coverage denied that resulted in adverse health effects.” [Salon, 2/7/01]
    Flip-flopping on abortion:
    BUSH SUPPORTS A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE… “Bush said he…favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the abortion question.” [The Nation, 6/15/00, quoting the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, 5/78]
    …BUSH OPPOSES A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE “I am pro-life.” [Governor Bush, 10/3/00]
    Flip-flopping on On North Korea:
    BUSH WILL NOT OFFER NUCLEAR NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM… “We developed a bold approach under which, if the North addressed our long-standing concerns, the United States was prepared to take important steps that would have significantly improved the lives of the North Korean people. Now that North Korea’s covert nuclear weapons program has come to light, we are unable to pursue this approach.” [President's Statement, 11/15/02]
    …BUSH ADMINISTRATION OFFERS NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM “Well, we will work to take steps to ease their political and economic isolation. So there would be — what you would see would be some provisional or temporary proposals that would only lead to lasting benefit after North Korea dismantles its nuclear programs. So there would be some provisional or temporary efforts of that nature.” [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 6/23/04]
    flip-flop on Chalabi to stop the Iranian mole in the NSA.
    BUSH INVITES CHALABI TO STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS…President Bush also met with Chalabi during his brief trip to Iraq last Thanksgiving [White House Documents 1/20/04, 11/27/03]
    …BUSH MILITARY ASSISTS IN RAID OF CHALABI’S HOUSE “U.S. soldiers raided the home of America’s one-time ally Ahmad Chalabi on Thursday and seized documents and computers.” [Washington Post, 5/20/04]
    And of course an oldie but a goodie, Bush flip-flops on Iraqi WMD

  • ~DS~

    Come on now. In all fairness we can easily contruct the appearance of ‘flip-flopping’ for anyone:
    Flipflopping for Big Business:
    CANDIDATE BUSH PRAISES TEXAS PATIENTS’ RIGHT TO SUE… “We’re one of the first states that said you can sue an HMO for denying you proper coverage… It’s time for our nation to come together and do what’s right for the people. And I think this is right for the people. You know, I support a national patients’ bill of rights, Mr. Vice President. And I want all people covered. I don’t want the law to supersede good law like we’ve got in Texas.” [Governor Bush, 10/17/00]
    GOVERNOR BUSH VETOES PATIENTS’ RIGHT TO SUE… “Despite his campaign rhetoric in favor of a patients’ bill of rights, Bush fought such a bill tooth and nail as Texas governor, vetoing a bill coauthored by Republican state Rep. John Smithee in 1995. He… constantly opposed a patient’s right to sue an HMO over coverage denied that resulted in adverse health effects.” [Salon, 2/7/01]
    Flip-flopping on abortion:
    BUSH SUPPORTS A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE… “Bush said he…favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the abortion question.” [The Nation, 6/15/00, quoting the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, 5/78]
    …BUSH OPPOSES A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE “I am pro-life.” [Governor Bush, 10/3/00]
    Flip-flopping on On North Korea:
    BUSH WILL NOT OFFER NUCLEAR NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM… “We developed a bold approach under which, if the North addressed our long-standing concerns, the United States was prepared to take important steps that would have significantly improved the lives of the North Korean people. Now that North Korea’s covert nuclear weapons program has come to light, we are unable to pursue this approach.” [President's Statement, 11/15/02]
    …BUSH ADMINISTRATION OFFERS NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM “Well, we will work to take steps to ease their political and economic isolation. So there would be — what you would see would be some provisional or temporary proposals that would only lead to lasting benefit after North Korea dismantles its nuclear programs. So there would be some provisional or temporary efforts of that nature.” [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 6/23/04]
    flip-flop on Chalabi to stop the Iranian mole in the NSA.
    BUSH INVITES CHALABI TO STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS…President Bush also met with Chalabi during his brief trip to Iraq last Thanksgiving [White House Documents 1/20/04, 11/27/03]
    …BUSH MILITARY ASSISTS IN RAID OF CHALABI’S HOUSE “U.S. soldiers raided the home of America’s one-time ally Ahmad Chalabi on Thursday and seized documents and computers.” [Washington Post, 5/20/04]
    And of course an oldie but a goodie, Bush flip-flops on Iraqi WMD

  • http://mt.ektopos.com/parablemania Jeremy Pierce

    Orrin Hatch is solidly on the right, and Zell Miller is speaking at the RNC (though I wouldn’t call him a loony). Ron Reagan has always been a solid leftist. As for Arlen Specter, you’d have to be left of Michael Moore and Noam Chomsky to think he’s right-wing.

  • http://mt.ektopos.com/parablemania Jeremy Pierce

    Orrin Hatch is solidly on the right, and Zell Miller is speaking at the RNC (though I wouldn’t call him a loony). Ron Reagan has always been a solid leftist. As for Arlen Specter, you’d have to be left of Michael Moore and Noam Chomsky to think he’s right-wing.

  • Duane

    Seems funny to me that to get Bush to flip flop you have to use a direct quote from him and then a quote from a media source. (sometimes a quote of a quote from another media source) Using this technique anyone could make anyone flip flop as we all know how accurate and unbiased media sources are. As to both direct quotes I don’t see any flip flop at all. Have to stretch pretty hard for that one. Kerry’s direct flips are too numerous to even begin. Doesn’t really matter. He may not even make it to the election as this Vietnam thing blows up in his face and he’s too proud to get his butt kicked by W.

  • Duane

    Seems funny to me that to get Bush to flip flop you have to use a direct quote from him and then a quote from a media source. (sometimes a quote of a quote from another media source) Using this technique anyone could make anyone flip flop as we all know how accurate and unbiased media sources are. As to both direct quotes I don’t see any flip flop at all. Have to stretch pretty hard for that one. Kerry’s direct flips are too numerous to even begin. Doesn’t really matter. He may not even make it to the election as this Vietnam thing blows up in his face and he’s too proud to get his butt kicked by W.

  • http://www.gryphmon.com/ Patrick

    “Doesn’t really matter. He may not even make it to the election as this Vietnam thing blows up in his face and he’s too proud to get his butt kicked by W.”
    I don’t think anything will be settled for sure until after the debates.
    You also forget an important fact. That most of those that have been supporting Kerry are doing so because they don’t want Bush, not because of any great liking for Kerry. That motive hasn’t gone away, and has even been reinforced by the Karl Rove dirty tricks campaign underway.

  • http://www.gryphmon.com Patrick

    “Doesn’t really matter. He may not even make it to the election as this Vietnam thing blows up in his face and he’s too proud to get his butt kicked by W.”
    I don’t think anything will be settled for sure until after the debates.
    You also forget an important fact. That most of those that have been supporting Kerry are doing so because they don’t want Bush, not because of any great liking for Kerry. That motive hasn’t gone away, and has even been reinforced by the Karl Rove dirty tricks campaign underway.

  • ~DS~

    Duane there’s a whole page of such stuff for Bush. Some using his own words, some using his own actions, some using both words and actions. Same for Kerry.
    Changing course AKA

  • ~DS~

    Duane there’s a whole page of such stuff for Bush. Some using his own words, some using his own actions, some using both words and actions. Same for Kerry.
    Changing course AKA

  • Rob Ryan

    “He may not even make it to the election as this Vietnam thing blows up in his face and he’s too proud to get his butt kicked by W.”
    You must be the star pupil at the Joe C. and Kevin W. Academy for Promoting Wishful Thinking.
    Surely Catholics won’t vote for Kerry because he won’t stop abortion.
    Surely Blacks will realize that the Republican party better represents their values.
    Surely our country won’t elect a self-avowed war criminal like John Kerry.
    Surely Kerry’s flip-flopping will turn off voters.
    No matter how ugly a portrait of Kerry is drawn by right-wingers, he looks like the cover of a romance novel next to our current president. The Bush team should ask itself why such a homely, humdrum fellow is holding his own with an incumbent president in a time of war. Could it be that our “uniter” has overplayed the stirring mandate he seems to think the 2000 election represents?

  • Rob Ryan

    “He may not even make it to the election as this Vietnam thing blows up in his face and he’s too proud to get his butt kicked by W.”
    You must be the star pupil at the Joe C. and Kevin W. Academy for Promoting Wishful Thinking.
    Surely Catholics won’t vote for Kerry because he won’t stop abortion.
    Surely Blacks will realize that the Republican party better represents their values.
    Surely our country won’t elect a self-avowed war criminal like John Kerry.
    Surely Kerry’s flip-flopping will turn off voters.
    No matter how ugly a portrait of Kerry is drawn by right-wingers, he looks like the cover of a romance novel next to our current president. The Bush team should ask itself why such a homely, humdrum fellow is holding his own with an incumbent president in a time of war. Could it be that our “uniter” has overplayed the stirring mandate he seems to think the 2000 election represents?

  • Larry Lord

    “He may not even make it to the election as this Vietnam thing blows up in his face and he’s too proud to get his butt kicked by W”
    Okay. THAT is the funniest thing I’ve read here all year. Whatever this poster means by the “Vietnam thing” I can assure it won’t be blowing up in Kerry’s face. It might blow up in the ‘liberal media’s’ face (like the WMD issue and the Iraq War) or in Bush’s face (like the WMD issue and the Iraq War) but it won’t be blowing up in Kerry’s face.
    That said, can someone please explain to me why killing 14 day old embyronic stem cells which will never turn into anything other than stem cells is any worse than killing cells from a human somatic cell line (e.g., a HeLa cell line which will never turn into anything other than HeLa cells)?
    I’ll be glad when Kerry’s elected and this stupid debate about embryonic stem cells is over.

  • Larry Lord

    “He may not even make it to the election as this Vietnam thing blows up in his face and he’s too proud to get his butt kicked by W”
    Okay. THAT is the funniest thing I’ve read here all year. Whatever this poster means by the “Vietnam thing” I can assure it won’t be blowing up in Kerry’s face. It might blow up in the ‘liberal media’s’ face (like the WMD issue and the Iraq War) or in Bush’s face (like the WMD issue and the Iraq War) but it won’t be blowing up in Kerry’s face.
    That said, can someone please explain to me why killing 14 day old embyronic stem cells which will never turn into anything other than stem cells is any worse than killing cells from a human somatic cell line (e.g., a HeLa cell line which will never turn into anything other than HeLa cells)?
    I’ll be glad when Kerry’s elected and this stupid debate about embryonic stem cells is over.

  • http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com/ Joe Carter

    DS,
    An unforseen sh** storm dumped all over Crawford Texas this afternoon.
    Um, yeah, that is really bound to stir things up. Please. Do you seriously think that some obscure former Senator who voted against the Homeland Security bill 11 times?
    I’ll see your Max Cleland and raise you a Bob Dole. ; )

  • http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com Joe Carter

    DS,
    An unforseen sh** storm dumped all over Crawford Texas this afternoon.
    Um, yeah, that is really bound to stir things up. Please. Do you seriously think that some obscure former Senator who voted against the Homeland Security bill 11 times?
    I’ll see your Max Cleland and raise you a Bob Dole. ; )

  • Mr. Moderate

    Do you seriously think that some obscure former Senator who voted against the Homeland Security bill 11 times?
    You mean one of the few senators who didn’t allow themselves to be pigeon holed into enacting the USA PATRIOT Act? Sounds like a plus in my book. I really wish Dole would stop. He’s really making an ass of himself.
    August 22nd Wolf Blitzer reports:
    DOLE: “[W]hat I will always quarrel about are the Purple Hearts. I mean, the first one, whether he ought to have a Purple Heart — he got two in one day, I think.”…”I respect his record, but three Purple Hearts and he never bled that I know of? They’re all superficial wounds”
    Wow two in one day and he didn’t even bleed. Wow now we are extrapolating the swift boat story into all new levels of distortion. Pretty soon they’ll be claiming Kerry wasn’t even in Vietnam (“unlike our courageous President & VP” implied).
    August 23rd same show:
    “I [Dole] reminded him [Kerry] that in 1996, I didn’t have anybody out writing these great stories about Bob Dole’s war record and I don’t think we were feeding them to people.”
    Um really?
    http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/candidates/campaign.96/the.story.mov
    http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/candidates/campaign.96/dole.values.mov
    And that’s just from campaign commercials.

  • Mr. Moderate

    Do you seriously think that some obscure former Senator who voted against the Homeland Security bill 11 times?
    You mean one of the few senators who didn’t allow themselves to be pigeon holed into enacting the USA PATRIOT Act? Sounds like a plus in my book. I really wish Dole would stop. He’s really making an ass of himself.
    August 22nd Wolf Blitzer reports:
    DOLE: “[W]hat I will always quarrel about are the Purple Hearts. I mean, the first one, whether he ought to have a Purple Heart — he got two in one day, I think.”…”I respect his record, but three Purple Hearts and he never bled that I know of? They’re all superficial wounds”
    Wow two in one day and he didn’t even bleed. Wow now we are extrapolating the swift boat story into all new levels of distortion. Pretty soon they’ll be claiming Kerry wasn’t even in Vietnam (“unlike our courageous President & VP” implied).
    August 23rd same show:
    “I [Dole] reminded him [Kerry] that in 1996, I didn’t have anybody out writing these great stories about Bob Dole’s war record and I don’t think we were feeding them to people.”
    Um really?
    http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/candidates/campaign.96/the.story.mov
    http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/candidates/campaign.96/dole.values.mov
    And that’s just from campaign commercials.

  • Kevin W

    It’s not wishful thinking to hope Kerry doesn’t make it to the election.
    I want Kerry to be the nominee–I think it’s great that the Democratic Party has run a legislator (not a governor or some other executive, of course they don’t have many of those anymore), who is the most liberal member of the Senate (hard to do, with Feinstein and Boxer and Kennedy and Clinton and Byrd in the same body), who is running on a platform of his Vietnam War service (who is not supported by 90% plus of the veterans who happened to serve with him, in his unit), and who has never run a national campaign.
    Run, Kerry, run!! You too, Ralph!!
    Kerry is even in the polls, and Bush hasn’t even started his campaign yet. His convention won’t even start for over a week. Who’s guilty of wishful thinking here? Not the right.

  • Kevin W

    It’s not wishful thinking to hope Kerry doesn’t make it to the election.
    I want Kerry to be the nominee–I think it’s great that the Democratic Party has run a legislator (not a governor or some other executive, of course they don’t have many of those anymore), who is the most liberal member of the Senate (hard to do, with Feinstein and Boxer and Kennedy and Clinton and Byrd in the same body), who is running on a platform of his Vietnam War service (who is not supported by 90% plus of the veterans who happened to serve with him, in his unit), and who has never run a national campaign.
    Run, Kerry, run!! You too, Ralph!!
    Kerry is even in the polls, and Bush hasn’t even started his campaign yet. His convention won’t even start for over a week. Who’s guilty of wishful thinking here? Not the right.

  • Anonymous

    “clone and kill” is such a misnomer for this bill and you know it. You are intentionally invoking images of growing humans for organ harvesting. We are again talking about clumps of cells no more than 14 days old (according to the text of the bill if you bothered to read it). That means mass “cloning” of what? By your religious definition I suppose you could say “people.” I’ll instead say “clumps of cells.” And once again we are talking about working with the embryos that would have been discarded from IVF. Stop the distortion and allow scientists to cure diseases.
    Oh and in case no one noticed, the GOP is again pushing to outright ban abortion with a constitutional amendment in their party platform.

  • Anonymous

    “clone and kill” is such a misnomer for this bill and you know it. You are intentionally invoking images of growing humans for organ harvesting. We are again talking about clumps of cells no more than 14 days old (according to the text of the bill if you bothered to read it). That means mass “cloning” of what? By your religious definition I suppose you could say “people.” I’ll instead say “clumps of cells.” And once again we are talking about working with the embryos that would have been discarded from IVF. Stop the distortion and allow scientists to cure diseases.
    Oh and in case no one noticed, the GOP is again pushing to outright ban abortion with a constitutional amendment in their party platform.

  • Anonymous

    who is the most liberal member of the Senate
    Neither of them are the most liberal member of the Senate. Kerry is left of center on his lifetime voting record. Edwards is pretty much dead center. Not that that is really important or anything.
    http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh072904.shtml

  • Anonymous

    who is the most liberal member of the Senate
    Neither of them are the most liberal member of the Senate. Kerry is left of center on his lifetime voting record. Edwards is pretty much dead center. Not that that is really important or anything.
    http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh072904.shtml

  • Anonymous

    Kerry is even in the polls, and Bush hasn’t even started his campaign yet.
    Bush has far outspent Kerry on campaign commercials and he’s been criss crossing the country on his campaign tours. That is complete with pre-selected audiences to ensure he doesn’t get any questions he can’t answer like, “Why have you been on vacation 40% of the time,” “why did you call your it the ‘Clear Skies Initiative’ when it increased the pollution allowances on industry,” and “why would you go to war exactly the same way as we did knowing that there were no WMD’s and that there was no imminent threat.”

  • Anonymous

    Kerry is even in the polls, and Bush hasn’t even started his campaign yet.
    Bush has far outspent Kerry on campaign commercials and he’s been criss crossing the country on his campaign tours. That is complete with pre-selected audiences to ensure he doesn’t get any questions he can’t answer like, “Why have you been on vacation 40% of the time,” “why did you call your it the ‘Clear Skies Initiative’ when it increased the pollution allowances on industry,” and “why would you go to war exactly the same way as we did knowing that there were no WMD’s and that there was no imminent threat.”

  • Larry Lord

    Yo, Joe, here’s grist for your mill:
    http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/223.pdf
    Among other results, poll shows that 52% of Americans believe research is more important than worrying about whether embryonic stem cells are “human beings”.

  • Larry Lord

    Yo, Joe, here’s grist for your mill:
    http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/223.pdf
    Among other results, poll shows that 52% of Americans believe research is more important than worrying about whether embryonic stem cells are “human beings”.

  • Larry Lord

    Kevin writes
    “I want Kerry to be the nominee–I think it’s great that the Democratic Party has run a legislator (not a governor or some other executive, of course they don’t have many of those anymore), who is the most liberal member of the Senate…”
    Um, Kevin, that was debunked a month ago and was a joke on the Daily Show two weeks ago. Sad.
    “who is running on a platform of his Vietnam War service …”
    The Repubs keep saying this but unfortunately it’s not true. Kerry did go to Vietnam (unlike Bush) and he did come back and fight to end the war (which everyone agrees was the right thing to do). Only the Swift Boat Liars are concerned about the nitty gritty details of Kerry’s awards. And the Swift Boat Liars are, well, liars.
    “and who has never run a national campaign.”
    But who is nevertheless ahead of Bush in the polls, in spite of the fact that Bush is an incumbent president who led the US into a war which was quite popular (at least, when it started). Gee, what could have happened?
    Kevin: it’s over. Like MC Hammer. Finished.

  • Larry Lord

    Kevin writes
    “I want Kerry to be the nominee–I think it’s great that the Democratic Party has run a legislator (not a governor or some other executive, of course they don’t have many of those anymore), who is the most liberal member of the Senate…”
    Um, Kevin, that was debunked a month ago and was a joke on the Daily Show two weeks ago. Sad.
    “who is running on a platform of his Vietnam War service …”
    The Repubs keep saying this but unfortunately it’s not true. Kerry did go to Vietnam (unlike Bush) and he did come back and fight to end the war (which everyone agrees was the right thing to do). Only the Swift Boat Liars are concerned about the nitty gritty details of Kerry’s awards. And the Swift Boat Liars are, well, liars.
    “and who has never run a national campaign.”
    But who is nevertheless ahead of Bush in the polls, in spite of the fact that Bush is an incumbent president who led the US into a war which was quite popular (at least, when it started). Gee, what could have happened?
    Kevin: it’s over. Like MC Hammer. Finished.

  • Rob Ryan

    If you give it a warm, fuzzy name, people will like it. Don’t call it the “Increase Pollution Bill”; that sounds bad. Don’t call it the “Suspend Civil Liberties Act”; we haven’t made civil liberty a bad thing like “liberal” yet. Don’t call the network news organization “Partisan and Distorted”; people don’t want the truth. Don’t call them “Swift Boat Liars for Bush”; that won’t get the swing vote.
    First, the Republican Party commandeered the flag. Next, they claimed ownership of the Christian god. Now they want to corner the market on lying! Dammit, I liked Clinton’s lies better! They didn’t kill people.

  • Rob Ryan

    If you give it a warm, fuzzy name, people will like it. Don’t call it the “Increase Pollution Bill”; that sounds bad. Don’t call it the “Suspend Civil Liberties Act”; we haven’t made civil liberty a bad thing like “liberal” yet. Don’t call the network news organization “Partisan and Distorted”; people don’t want the truth. Don’t call them “Swift Boat Liars for Bush”; that won’t get the swing vote.
    First, the Republican Party commandeered the flag. Next, they claimed ownership of the Christian god. Now they want to corner the market on lying! Dammit, I liked Clinton’s lies better! They didn’t kill people.

  • http://groups.msn.com/EvolutionvCreation/welcome1.msnw ~DS~

    Joe my guess is that it will get some play. That this event provides one graphic, alebit simplistic, focus for why many of us feel that George Bush’s political tactics reek of questionable ethical/moral conduct in both the present contest and past races.
    You have a guy in a wheelchair who was wounded badly in Vietnam delivering a letter asking for George Bush to publicly honor the past and present service of Combat Warriors. He is ignored. Left out in the hot Texas sun like a lump of useless humanity. His momentous sacrifice for the very nation Bush now leads clear for all to see. No legs, his right arm a stump since that terrible day in South Veitnam that rendered him disfigured.
    The natural question is; where was Bush both then and now? Could the President who speaks so often about the need to honor service in Iraq be so busy on vacation that he cannot take ten minutes out to invite the wounded veteran and fomer ongressman in for a friendly discussion of an important issue?
    That looks very bad and, again, it didn’t have to be that way. It represents fear, avoidance, and implies shame, on the WH that Bush did not appear. But Bush could hav easily countered this photo-op by employing common courtesy. He chose not to.
    I don’t know how big a deal it will turn out to be, but my guess would be we will see this pciture played over and over, and that the SBVFT are done.

  • http://groups.msn.com/EvolutionvCreation/welcome1.msnw ~DS~

    Joe my guess is that it will get some play. That this event provides one graphic, alebit simplistic, focus for why many of us feel that George Bush’s political tactics reek of questionable ethical/moral conduct in both the present contest and past races.
    You have a guy in a wheelchair who was wounded badly in Vietnam delivering a letter asking for George Bush to publicly honor the past and present service of Combat Warriors. He is ignored. Left out in the hot Texas sun like a lump of useless humanity. His momentous sacrifice for the very nation Bush now leads clear for all to see. No legs, his right arm a stump since that terrible day in South Veitnam that rendered him disfigured.
    The natural question is; where was Bush both then and now? Could the President who speaks so often about the need to honor service in Iraq be so busy on vacation that he cannot take ten minutes out to invite the wounded veteran and fomer ongressman in for a friendly discussion of an important issue?
    That looks very bad and, again, it didn’t have to be that way. It represents fear, avoidance, and implies shame, on the WH that Bush did not appear. But Bush could hav easily countered this photo-op by employing common courtesy. He chose not to.
    I don’t know how big a deal it will turn out to be, but my guess would be we will see this pciture played over and over, and that the SBVFT are done.

  • Kevin W

    Well, DS, if that’s true, and the Swift Boat ads go away, that would be a shame for Kerry. Didn’t you say that the Swift Boat ads HELP your candidate?
    Maybe you should send them some money, so they can keep running them, and Kerry will get to squeeze out a more more points in the polls.

  • Kevin W

    Well, DS, if that’s true, and the Swift Boat ads go away, that would be a shame for Kerry. Didn’t you say that the Swift Boat ads HELP your candidate?
    Maybe you should send them some money, so they can keep running them, and Kerry will get to squeeze out a more more points in the polls.

  • ~DS~

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  • MERCURY

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