Bringing Charges of Hypocrisy:
Tom Delay and the Indictment Rule

Republicans — By on November 19, 2004 at 1:48 pm

While reading Power Line I discovered that a reader named Michael Wuflestad sent them the following email:

Help, I searched your site, NRO’s, Hewitt’s, Joe Carter’s (the evangelical outpost) for at least the lock-step GOP spin on DeLay’s pardon-the-pun “pardon” in burying the Rostenkowski’s indictment rules. The silence is deafening.

While I consider it an honor to be mentioned in the same league as NRO, Hugh, and the PL crew, I don’t think it’s surprising that I didn ‘



  • http://lespritdescalier.blogspot.com/ jpe

    Is the prosecutor a “political hack”? One thing we know is that he’s brought actions against 12 Dems and 4 Repubs. That doesn’t like partisanship to me.

  • http://lespritdescalier.blogspot.com jpe

    Is the prosecutor a “political hack”? One thing we know is that he’s brought actions against 12 Dems and 4 Repubs. That doesn’t like partisanship to me.

  • http://lespritdescalier.blogspot.com/ jpe

    Oh man. The above should read: “That doesn’t sound like partisanship to me.” Mr. Carter, have you adopted a variant on the devowelling method or am I just that sloppy a typer?

  • http://lespritdescalier.blogspot.com jpe

    Oh man. The above should read: “That doesn’t sound like partisanship to me.” Mr. Carter, have you adopted a variant on the devowelling method or am I just that sloppy a typer?

  • http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com/ Joe Carter

    DS,
    That rule exists for a reason. If it gets removed to protect the guy those paying the price if the sh*t hits the fan will not be democrats.
    That rule exists because the GOP wanted to make themselves look morally superior to the Democrats. Revoking it makes them look bad but the Democrats, who never even had such a rule should be careful about gloating too much.

  • http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com Joe Carter

    DS,
    That rule exists for a reason. If it gets removed to protect the guy those paying the price if the sh*t hits the fan will not be democrats.
    That rule exists because the GOP wanted to make themselves look morally superior to the Democrats. Revoking it makes them look bad but the Democrats, who never even had such a rule should be careful about gloating too much.

  • http://groups.msn.com/EvolutionvCreation/welcome1.msnw ~DS~

    Good point Joe.

  • http://groups.msn.com/EvolutionvCreation/welcome1.msnw ~DS~

    Good point Joe.

  • Mr. Moderate

    That rule exists because the GOP wanted to make themselves look morally superior to the Democrats. Revoking it makes them look bad but the Democrats, who never even had such a rule should be careful about gloating too much.
    Democrats do have a similar rule for committee chairmanships and they are now say they will expand that to include any leadership position. Would that be enough grounds to criticize the GOP on this issue? I think DeLay is perhaps the shadiest GOP congressman. The ethics panel has already rebuked him several times but just gave him a slap on the wrist, now its just a question of if he did anything illegal and how much time he should serve if convicted.

  • Mr. Moderate

    That rule exists because the GOP wanted to make themselves look morally superior to the Democrats. Revoking it makes them look bad but the Democrats, who never even had such a rule should be careful about gloating too much.
    Democrats do have a similar rule for committee chairmanships and they are now say they will expand that to include any leadership position. Would that be enough grounds to criticize the GOP on this issue? I think DeLay is perhaps the shadiest GOP congressman. The ethics panel has already rebuked him several times but just gave him a slap on the wrist, now its just a question of if he did anything illegal and how much time he should serve if convicted.

  • http://groups.msn.com/EvolutionvCreation/welcome1.msnw ~DS~

    Speaking of Texas in general Joe, any chance you could fed-ex me a Schlostky’s or a Whataburger ;) They don’t have those here.

  • http://groups.msn.com/EvolutionvCreation/welcome1.msnw ~DS~

    Speaking of Texas in general Joe, any chance you could fed-ex me a Schlostky’s or a Whataburger ;) They don’t have those here.

  • Will Franklin
  • Will Franklin
  • http://www.leanleft.com/ tgirsch

    If my numbers are right, Earle has prosecuted 12 Democrats and four Republicans. How does that make him a “partisan hack?” And if this indictment were truly politically motivated, wouldn’t have made more sense to bring the indictment before the election? Just because the DA is a different party than the accused does not necessarily make it a “witch hunt.”
    In any case, DeLay’s about as sleazy as they come, I don’t care which party he’s in.

  • http://www.leanleft.com/ tgirsch

    If my numbers are right, Earle has prosecuted 12 Democrats and four Republicans. How does that make him a “partisan hack?” And if this indictment were truly politically motivated, wouldn’t have made more sense to bring the indictment before the election? Just because the DA is a different party than the accused does not necessarily make it a “witch hunt.”
    In any case, DeLay’s about as sleazy as they come, I don’t care which party he’s in.

  • Mr. Moderate

    Hey Will,
    Wow that is strong evidence. His GOP cronies saying its just partisanship. I think I have a bridge I’d like to sell you…

  • Mr. Moderate

    Hey Will,
    Wow that is strong evidence. His GOP cronies saying its just partisanship. I think I have a bridge I’d like to sell you…

  • http://www.centeredwork.com/ AndyS

    Joe, this post is one of the reasons I keep reading your blog in spite of strong disagreement with you on many issues. It shows you do think about your beliefs rather than dogmatically repeat right-wing talking points.
    I’m wondering if you are willing to go a little further and say that DeLay is a bad, in the sense of unethical and self-serving, leader. The guy, to my mind, typifies all everyone dislikes in a politician.
    I stumbled on the Clinton Library/Museum ceremony yessterday on CNN. It was fascinating to hear both Bush Presidents speak, especially the comments HW made about Bill. A bit of non-partisanship goes a long way.

  • http://www.centeredwork.com AndyS

    Joe, this post is one of the reasons I keep reading your blog in spite of strong disagreement with you on many issues. It shows you do think about your beliefs rather than dogmatically repeat right-wing talking points.
    I’m wondering if you are willing to go a little further and say that DeLay is a bad, in the sense of unethical and self-serving, leader. The guy, to my mind, typifies all everyone dislikes in a politician.
    I stumbled on the Clinton Library/Museum ceremony yessterday on CNN. It was fascinating to hear both Bush Presidents speak, especially the comments HW made about Bill. A bit of non-partisanship goes a long way.

  • http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com/ Joe Carter

    Andy,
    I’m wondering if you are willing to go a little further and say that DeLay is a bad, in the sense of unethical and self-serving, leader.
    To be perfectly honest, I don

  • http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com Joe Carter

    Andy,
    I’m wondering if you are willing to go a little further and say that DeLay is a bad, in the sense of unethical and self-serving, leader.
    To be perfectly honest, I don

  • Septimus

    The original rule was a stupid idea, a trick play, a shortcut that the GOP now rues. Such is the feckless history of the GOP in recent years.
    As stupid ideas, this was a relatively minor one, but still stupid: it puts the fate of a leader in the federal legislature in the hands of someone from another branch of government and another level. It may not be a technical violation of separation of powers, but it certainly violates the whole point of separation of powers.
    I have no idea whether this prosecutor in Texas is politically motivated. Is anyone prepared to say that such things don’t happen? It seems stupid — not to mention irresponsible — for leadership in Congress to give this kind of power to a local prosecutor.
    So where’s the accountability? The voters. If the voters care, they can and will punish their own representatives. The GOP was mad in the 80s because voters failed to punish their representatives for the antics of Tip O’Neil (I don’t mean corruption); Jim Wright did fall from power, clearly because the Democrats didn’t want to find out if the voters would punish them; and the same thing happened to Newt Gingrich a few years later. Just because accountability doesn’t come fast enough to suit you, me, or that fellow by the tree, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.
    Meanwhile, the GOP has moved on to a new — and breathtakingly destructive — stupid idea: tamper with the filibuster rule.
    The filibuster is a wonderful feature of our system, that actually works really well. It slows down change, but it doesn’t stop it, IF that change really commands broad public support. A filibuster simply cannot be maintained in the face of public disapproval. The longer an unpopular filibuster goes on, the more the public is aroused to action, and the Senate will give in.
    The filibuster thus serves two necessary functions: it is a speed bump to slow down too-hasty changes that the nation may regret in years to come, but it also enables the public to become engaged, and to have it’s way, when the filibuster blocks something that enjoys public concensus.
    I thank God every day (I’m not kidding) for the filibuster; and it staggers me that it’s the so-called conservative party that is leading the drive to emasculate it.
    Here’s to the GOP — the kings of the “galactically stupid” ideas!
    Septimus

  • Septimus

    The original rule was a stupid idea, a trick play, a shortcut that the GOP now rues. Such is the feckless history of the GOP in recent years.
    As stupid ideas, this was a relatively minor one, but still stupid: it puts the fate of a leader in the federal legislature in the hands of someone from another branch of government and another level. It may not be a technical violation of separation of powers, but it certainly violates the whole point of separation of powers.
    I have no idea whether this prosecutor in Texas is politically motivated. Is anyone prepared to say that such things don’t happen? It seems stupid — not to mention irresponsible — for leadership in Congress to give this kind of power to a local prosecutor.
    So where’s the accountability? The voters. If the voters care, they can and will punish their own representatives. The GOP was mad in the 80s because voters failed to punish their representatives for the antics of Tip O’Neil (I don’t mean corruption); Jim Wright did fall from power, clearly because the Democrats didn’t want to find out if the voters would punish them; and the same thing happened to Newt Gingrich a few years later. Just because accountability doesn’t come fast enough to suit you, me, or that fellow by the tree, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.
    Meanwhile, the GOP has moved on to a new — and breathtakingly destructive — stupid idea: tamper with the filibuster rule.
    The filibuster is a wonderful feature of our system, that actually works really well. It slows down change, but it doesn’t stop it, IF that change really commands broad public support. A filibuster simply cannot be maintained in the face of public disapproval. The longer an unpopular filibuster goes on, the more the public is aroused to action, and the Senate will give in.
    The filibuster thus serves two necessary functions: it is a speed bump to slow down too-hasty changes that the nation may regret in years to come, but it also enables the public to become engaged, and to have it’s way, when the filibuster blocks something that enjoys public concensus.
    I thank God every day (I’m not kidding) for the filibuster; and it staggers me that it’s the so-called conservative party that is leading the drive to emasculate it.
    Here’s to the GOP — the kings of the “galactically stupid” ideas!
    Septimus

  • Septimus

    The original rule was a stupid idea, a trick play, a shortcut that the GOP now rues. Such is the feckless history of the GOP in recent years.
    As stupid ideas, this was a relatively minor one, but still stupid: it puts the fate of a leader in the federal legislature in the hands of someone from another branch of government and another level. It may not be a technical violation of separation of powers, but it certainly violates the whole point of separation of powers.
    I have no idea whether this prosecutor in Texas is politically motivated. Is anyone prepared to say that such things don’t happen? It seems stupid — not to mention irresponsible — for leadership in Congress to give this kind of power to a local prosecutor.
    So where’s the accountability? The voters. If the voters care, they can and will punish their own representatives. The GOP was mad in the 80s because voters failed to punish their representatives for the antics of Tip O’Neil (I don’t mean corruption); Jim Wright did fall from power, clearly because the Democrats didn’t want to find out if the voters would punish them; and the same thing happened to Newt Gingrich a few years later. Just because accountability doesn’t come fast enough to suit you, me, or that fellow by the tree, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.
    Meanwhile, the GOP has moved on to a new — and breathtakingly destructive — stupid idea: tamper with the filibuster rule.
    The filibuster is a wonderful feature of our system, that actually works really well. It slows down change, but it doesn’t stop it, IF that change really commands broad public support. A filibuster simply cannot be maintained in the face of public disapproval. The longer an unpopular filibuster goes on, the more the public is aroused to action, and the Senate will give in.
    The filibuster thus serves two necessary functions: it is a speed bump to slow down too-hasty changes that the nation may regret in years to come, but it also enables the public to become engaged, and to have it’s way, when the filibuster blocks something that enjoys public concensus.
    I thank God every day (I’m not kidding) for the filibuster; and it staggers me that it’s the so-called conservative party that is leading the drive to emasculate it.
    Here’s to the GOP — the kings of the “galactically stupid” ideas!
    Septimus

  • http://lespritdescalier.blogspot.com/ jpe

    The filibuster thus serves two necessary functions: it is a speed bump to slow down too-hasty changes that the nation may regret in years to come….
    Interesting point, and a good one given the way the Senate is supposed to be the more conservative, patrician of the two houses. As the differences between the two houses are becoming leveled, however, perhaps the unique procedural features of the Senate are bound to be eliminated.
    …and it staggers me that it’s the so-called conservative party that is leading the drive to emasculate it.
    There’s really nothing conservative about the GOP anymore. Maybe that’s for the better, maybe for the worse, but it’s certainly a misnomer.

  • http://lespritdescalier.blogspot.com/ jpe

    The filibuster thus serves two necessary functions: it is a speed bump to slow down too-hasty changes that the nation may regret in years to come….
    Interesting point, and a good one given the way the Senate is supposed to be the more conservative, patrician of the two houses. As the differences between the two houses are becoming leveled, however, perhaps the unique procedural features of the Senate are bound to be eliminated.
    …and it staggers me that it’s the so-called conservative party that is leading the drive to emasculate it.
    There’s really nothing conservative about the GOP anymore. Maybe that’s for the better, maybe for the worse, but it’s certainly a misnomer.

  • http://lespritdescalier.blogspot.com jpe

    The filibuster thus serves two necessary functions: it is a speed bump to slow down too-hasty changes that the nation may regret in years to come….
    Interesting point, and a good one given the way the Senate is supposed to be the more conservative, patrician of the two houses. As the differences between the two houses are becoming leveled, however, perhaps the unique procedural features of the Senate are bound to be eliminated.
    …and it staggers me that it’s the so-called conservative party that is leading the drive to emasculate it.
    There’s really nothing conservative about the GOP anymore. Maybe that’s for the better, maybe for the worse, but it’s certainly a misnomer.

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    Sympathy for the Devil

    Professor Bainbridge chastises Powerline and joins those who think the GOP house members shouldn’t have changed the rules for Tom Delay. I don’t like the Hammer either, but I disagree about the rule change. Here’s what Bainbridge writes:
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  • center guy

    Joe,
    The elephant in the room here is the Texas redistricting. DeLay was pouring cash into the legislative races so he could trigger redrawing before the decennial — indecently, right after. You easily assume Earle has a political motivation, but what if that motivation is simply outrage at the abuse of power?
    Also, the GOP rule followed a particularly nasty GOP assault on Democratic Speaker Jim Wright back when — over a book deal. It was not an attempt to be morally superior but a necessary corollary to the attack. Check out the Wright affair and you will see the GOP was even then just covering.
    Joe, it’s good that you admit “I don

  • center guy

    Joe,
    The elephant in the room here is the Texas redistricting. DeLay was pouring cash into the legislative races so he could trigger redrawing before the decennial — indecently, right after. You easily assume Earle has a political motivation, but what if that motivation is simply outrage at the abuse of power?
    Also, the GOP rule followed a particularly nasty GOP assault on Democratic Speaker Jim Wright back when — over a book deal. It was not an attempt to be morally superior but a necessary corollary to the attack. Check out the Wright affair and you will see the GOP was even then just covering.
    Joe, it’s good that you admit “I don

  • center guy

    Joe,
    The elephant in the room here is the Texas redistricting. DeLay was pouring cash into the legislative races so he could trigger redrawing before the decennial — indecently, right after. You easily assume Earle has a political motivation, but what if that motivation is simply outrage at the abuse of power?
    Also, the GOP rule followed a particularly nasty GOP assault on Democratic Speaker Jim Wright back when — over a book deal. It was not an attempt to be morally superior but a necessary corollary to the attack. Check out the Wright affair and you will see the GOP was even then just covering.
    Joe, it’s good that you admit “I don

  • http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com/ Joe Carter

    Center guy,
    You easily assume Earle has a political motivation, but what if that motivation is simply outrage at the abuse of power?
    If it is then Earle is in the wrong. It

  • http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com/ Joe Carter

    Center guy,
    You easily assume Earle has a political motivation, but what if that motivation is simply outrage at the abuse of power?
    If it is then Earle is in the wrong. It

  • http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com Joe Carter

    Center guy,
    You easily assume Earle has a political motivation, but what if that motivation is simply outrage at the abuse of power?
    If it is then Earle is in the wrong. It

  • http://www.leanleft.com/ tgirsch

    Joe:

    If it is then Earle is in the wrong. It

  • http://www.leanleft.com/ tgirsch

    Joe:

    If it is then Earle is in the wrong. It

  • http://www.leanleft.com/ tgirsch

    Joe:

    If it is then Earle is in the wrong. It

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