Man, that is heavy.

http://www.optruth.org//main.cfm

A better source of truth…
SOCNET: The SpecialOperations.com Bulletin Boards
There boards are run, moderated, and frequented by veterans from every branch of the Armed Forces and from the law enforcement community.
Note to those who feel like going over there to rant: They have very little patience with stupid comments and you will cease to be on those forums if you don’t heed the rules.

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SOCNET: The SpecialOperations.com Bulletin Boards

And don’t forget the heart warming future for the brave disabled Staff Sergant should he dare to ever run for public office against Karl Rove’s client: He can look forward to being portratyed as a cowardly liar, a war criminal, and an aid to terrorism all over the world … And you clowns will blog day and night about his traitorous and unseemly cowardice :)

~DS~:
It never ceases to amaze me how the most vocal proponents of “morality,” are the most silent when it comes to speaking out against slanderous behavior, and often engage in it themselves.
I for one, though appreciate the sacrifices of men like James and Graunke.
I only wish that the people who wanted their “tax cut” or such ilk had a bit of sacrifice in them.

The Marine in the picture has done far more in fighting the Evil in this world than anything done by the various effete pseudo-intellectuals and Leftists

Oengoose, actually I’m more an intellectual centrist.
Fry Garunke for being a moedrate candidate in an election? But that’s exactly what Rove has done and the Socons bought it. He portrayed McCain as an embittered vet unbalanced from years as a POW and a philanderer who fathered an illegitimate black child, and the religious right bought it. He portrayed triple amputee vet as terrorist sympathizer, and the religious right bought it. He portrayed John Kerry as a liar and war criminal, and the religious right bought it. He played on the dislike of the gay lifestyle and you bought it. (BTW-if it breaks, you now own it)
Lest you think I’m picking on Christian conservatives exclusively, I assure you the Islamic fundie conservatives are much harder to deal with you than you folks. Many of you are at times reachable whereas most of those blokes are simply whacked beyond all hope. I deal with a lot of Muslim fundies and I can definitely say I’d take you guys over them any day.
Having said that however the religious right does have some disturbing parallels with those more extremist wahhibists and the like. On the vet thing, sure the WH and the Socon leaders make a lot of noise about ‘supporting the troops’ when useful to whipping up nationalist fervor. But later, if one of those soldiers happens to be a moderate republican or a democrat, they will be burned them at the stake on command, happily, flippantly, by many pundits on the religious right, downplaying or buying into a tainted spin on their service and sacrifice. Anyone who tries to talk some sense into them will be called a ‘liberal’ or a ‘terrorist’ or a liar. And I think based on past performance-which is no guarantee of future results [grin]-many of you reading this would buy it to.
I got to catch a couple of impromptu break out sessions last week of a small band of politicos who were discussing ideological differences between paleocons, neocons, dems, and SoCons. One of the commentators was a Jewish Scholar who knew the Bible and the Qu’ron inside and out, he could read both in Hebrew or Arabic. He pointed out that in the Bible, there are something like over 1000 verses encouraging Christians to help the sick and the poor, the disabled, homeless, young, terminally ill and indigent, etc. There is one or two verses, I believe he mentioned Paul, condemning homosexuality. I don’t know much about biblical verses, but if he’s correct, So why in the world would you guys get so flipped out over two girls holding hands in public that you wouldand vote for the crew that is doing next to nothing to address the healthcare shortage and the lack of jobs with such benefits, who is gutting programs to help the disenfranchised, in fact in some cases is facilitating companies in various ways who have squirreled out of providing such benefits, simply because that party opposes gay rights? You got spun. You bought it. (I’m sure many of you will scrambl wildly to explain why you went 180 degresss against the behavior that you’re own deity mandated)
It’s not because you’re stupid or illiterate, you’re not … Like the Muslim fundies although to lesser degree, it’s not just the religion, it’s the ideology. It blinds you at times and makes you easy to manipulate.
Extremist ideology does that, be it Islamic extremism, or any other. It stresses appeals to authority, divine unquestionable and untestable revelation (Or someone’s interp of same), prejudice, and a dash of hatred now and then. Not to mention the religious right, like your more deranged muslim counterparts, have been encouraged to ignore any evidence that conflicts with your religion so well, that you sometimes can’t turn it off even when dealing with irreligious matters. Rove knows how to push those buttons effectively, and before him Atwater knew how, and before him there have been many more, in many nations, back to the dawn of history.
That kind of response is one of many reasons why the religious right-is sometimes held in low regard among less extremist theists and non Christians. It’s part of the reason some athiests view all religion as negative. And that’s why many of the Christains view Islam as so negative. It’s not the religion, it’s the extremist ideology.
I know you won’t listen to me much, simply because I’m an atheist. So, the rest of us who do not share the extremist views of hard line muslims, hindus (Yes India recently had a fundie takeover of all halls of power also), or whomever, are left with hoping the mods among you tone down the really crazy stuff and put real family values, that is equality, education, liberty, jobs, healthcare, the things that families must have to survive and prosper. Protection from glimpsing gay people holding hands or hearing about them in books is way, way, down on the list below health and food and education as far as what family essentials.
Here on The Evangelical Outpost there are some moderate voices who do that in the Christian community. Sadly too often it seems to those of us who don’t share the given ideology that even the moderates among the respective groups hush up and let the extremists and manipulators get away with it.
To wit; Sure, the Staff Sgt will is praised now, but tomorrow many of you would fry his military service without a second thought on cue, or you’ll go along with it quietly even though you know it’s wrong.

“A better source of truth…
SOCNET: The SpecialOperations.com Bulletin Boards”
Both places have veterans commenting on the war etc. It seems to me that they are both good sources for “The Truth”. The question is, is it the truth anyone wants to hear?
” But later, if one of those soldiers happens to be a moderate republican or a democrat, they will be burned them at the stake on command, happily, flippantly, by many pundits on the religious right, downplaying or buying into a tainted spin on their service and sacrifice.”
Actually, DS, I don’t think “Liberal” or “Conservative” matter to Rove. If it’s convenient for purposes of maintaining or getting power for his specific goals, political leanings are irrelevant. Really, he is Roy Cohn reincarnated.
You can also add to his resume that a few years ago, when hired to run the campaign for the election of a judge, Rove started a whisper campaign that the opponent was a pedophile. All untrue of course.
Christians seem so fond of this man, but not a one ever raises a voice in question about his ethics. Does it strike anyone that evil done in the name of good is still evil?

He pointed out that in the Bible, there are something like over 1000 verses encouraging Christians to help the sick and the poor, the disabled, homeless, young, terminally ill and indigent, etc. There is one or two verses, I believe he mentioned Paul, condemning homosexuality. I don’t know much about biblical verses, but if he’s correct, So why in the world would you guys get so flipped out over two girls holding hands in public that you wouldand vote for the crew that is doing next to nothing to address the healthcare shortage and the lack of jobs with such benefits, who is gutting programs to help the disenfranchised, in fact in some cases is facilitating companies in various ways who have squirreled out of providing such benefits, simply because that party opposes gay rights?

Good point. As a Christian myself, I recognize that most Christians don’t even realize that the bible speaks again and again about helping the poor and marginalized.

The saddest part about that young man’s disability is that his skills were wasted on a foolish endeavor, cooked up by a group of stupid and cowardly millionaires.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/05/musharraf.cnn/index.html

Joel writes
“As a Christian myself, I recognize that most Christians don’t even realize that the bible speaks again and again about helping the poor and marginalized.”
It’s funny. When I grow up and went to church, it seemed like that was nearly the whole point of the New Testament.
It wasn’t until later that I learned Jesus was really about kicking ass.

Well, maybe they know it, they just don’t live it. (Too comfortable to bother themselves with the poor?)

I’ll bite.
Bait written, “He pointed out that in the Bible, there are something like over 1000 verses encouraging Christians to help the sick and the poor, the disabled, homeless, young, terminally ill and indigent, etc. There is one or two verses, I believe he mentioned Paul, condemning homosexuality. I don’t know much about biblical verses, but if he’s correct, So why in the world would you guys get so flipped out over two girls holding hands in public that you wouldand vote for the crew that is doing next to nothing to address the healthcare shortage and the lack of jobs with such benefits, who is gutting programs to help the disenfranchised, in fact in some cases is facilitating companies in various ways who have squirreled out of providing such benefits, simply because that party opposes gay rights?”
Joel Haas wrote, “Good point. As a Christian myself, I recognize that most Christians don’t even realize that the bible speaks again and again about helping the poor and marginalized.”
Yes. Tithe to your local church which continue to help the poor far more than the government ever dreamt of doing. Reduce taxes so as not to pay for multi-millionaire’s pention plans, i.e. John Kerry. Then, you are morally free to vote for the candidate least likely to marry Jane and Mary. Enough said, moving on.