Israel, Hamas, and the looter mentality

Foreign Affairs, Human Rights, Judaism — By on January 14, 2009 at 10:53 pm

On January 10, 2009, a rally swept along Wilshire Boulevard in Los Angeles. Though billed as a “pro-Palestine” rally, in reality, it was far more anti-Israel and anti-America than anything else. I went with a group of fellow bloggers from the Heading Right station on www.BlogTalkRadio.com. When we got within a block or two, we could see (and hear!) the rally.
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An older man of Native American ancestry walked up and down the line of Israel supporters, shouting in our faces. He was mostly challenging the men, saying that they were stupid white men, and that “the women understand, listen to them!” Funny, when he made the comment about women, he was standing with two young Jewish girls on his left, and me on his right. He didn’t attempt to explain how women like us could agree with the “stupid white men.” The cognitive dissonance, it burns!
(for an audio clip of this confrontation, listen to Douglas V. Gibbs show.)


A young Hamas/Palestine supporter. Her sign reads, “Israel, killing children isn’t kosher.” She neglected to explain how using children as human shields is kosher.
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I didn’t see any American flags on the pro-Hamas side of the rally, but they DID have some other interesting ones. In these pictures, you can see the Palestinian flag, the Hamas flag, the Mexican flag, the Cuban flag, and the Venezuelan flag.
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In amongst all the generic Palestinian flags, I saw this one:
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Notice the Dome of the Rock image printed on it.
Now, notice the two different messages at the protest…Here’s what the signs say:
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Peace, stop killing, the children, etc etc.
But what was the crowd shouting? “Intifada, intifada!” One passerby even looked at me and said “Go Hitler!” Peace rally? Not exactly.
This is the front line of the protest march.
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Let’s take a look at several parts of it. First of all, what’s that giant sign they’re carrying?
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Notice that title? “Support the People’s Resistance”. Any doubts that this rally was highly socialistic in nature?
Obligatory ANSWER pre-printed signs:
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For more on ANSWER and their unabashedly Socialist worldview, see here.
The closest thing to an American flag I saw on the pro-Hamas side of the rally: the image is blurry, but there was a blue Star of David in the upper left corner, and the red stripes were covered in “bloody” handprints. There is an unmistakable swastika in the center.
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And let’s not forget the classic anti-Semitism memes: this guy’s sign says “Stop banking on death.”
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Here’s a basic shot of what confronted those of us who stood for Israel…wait, what’s that sign in the back ground?
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Ah yes…the Socialists.
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Specifically, the Sparticists, a left-wing Marxist group.
Here are some pictures of the pro-Israel crowd: we were outnumbered about 100 to 1, but I never saw anyone back down or pull away. We few, we happy few!
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This is what it’s all about: two free democratic nations, standing together against the oncoming storm.
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The Hamas supporters kept encroaching on our space. We weren’t about to back down, but the police had to continually asked us to move back for our own safety.
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The police were very concerned for our safety, and once the march started, they didn’t let us get within 100 yards of the Hamas supporters. The police were very polite to us, made sure we knew the rules, and generally kept us safe, though they did prevent us from getting close enough to the other side to get good pictures.
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So what does it all mean? I confess I was boggled by the whole thing at first. Why would people who live in one of the freest countries in the world support one of the most oppressive regimes in history? Do they really think they’d have the freedom to stage this kind of protest in Gaza if Hamas had their way? How long do they think they’d get to wear their trendy low-rider jeans and tight t-shirts? How long would the women be allowed to marry, date, and even speak to whomever they wish?
To add to the confusion, I was puzzled by the strong socialist presence at the rally. I saw signs from ANSWER, as well as the signs promoting a “Socialist Near East,” and Cuban and Venezuelan flags; many of my companions saw Che Guevara gear everywhere. And let’s not forget their giant “People’s Resistance” sign. What’s the connecting thread?
What do Communists, Socialists, Marxists, and Hamas all have in common? Simple: a looter mentality. They want to take what others have worked to build. Do they really think that if Israel vacated their land, the jobs and industry would remain? I couldn’t help but be reminded of The Ayn Rand classic Atlas Shrugs, when the “looters” take over formerly prosperous industries and run them into the ground; they’re subsequently baffled when they don’t succeed, and insist that the creators of wealth need to “bail them out.” Success and prosperity isn’t a matter of opportunity or raw materials, it’s about creativity and the human spirit. If the most creative thing you can do is make bombs, you won’t be able to create a thriving culture even if you have the wealth of the United States, the land mass of Russia, and the technology of Japan.
Israel protects her people and the culture that they have built: they provide bomb shelters, rocket warnings, and well-constructed buildings. Hamas uses schools as bases for launching rockets, send the children to the roofs of buildings that are being targeted by Israel, and fire their rockets indiscriminately. Hamas cares nothing for human beings–they only care about being in control, no matter who has to die.
Israel stands firm: a prosperous free nation, content to be left alone, and happy to create their own success. Hamas and the terrorists are not only willing, but eager to put their own children in harm’s way in the hope of killing a few more Jews. They are the dogs in the manger, who refuse to let anyone else enjoy what they cannot have. And far too many Americans agree with them, reaching out a hand to take things that they have not worked for.
I saw no glimmer of the noble human spirit in the protesters at the rally. No desire to make a better world for themselves or their children, only a desire to take and consume what another has created. I saw no willingness to sacrifice in order to build, only willingness to destroy at any cost. The looter mentality that would take from the American people to support industries that they themselves would not willingly support is the same looter mentality that would strip the entire Middle East bare. Human pride and greed look the same, from the Gaza strip to the Washington Mall.

“Do you know the hallmark of the second – rater? It’s resentment of another man’s achievement. Those touchy mediocrities who sit trembling lest someone’s work prove greater than their own — they have no inkling of the loneliness that comes when you reach the top. The loneliness for an equal – for a mind to respect and an achievement to admire. They bare their teeth at you from out of their rat holes, thinking you take pleasure in letting your brilliance dim them – while you’d give a year of your life to see a flicker of talent anywhere among them. They envy achievement, and their dream of greatness is a world where all men have become their acknowledged inferiors. They don’t know that that dream is infallible proof of mediocrity, because that sort of world is what the man of achievement would not be able to bear. ” Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand, page 358


More reports from the rally:
A great post with photos from the events, commentary, and links to other reports.
A live radio show from the rally.
Political Vindication radio
A map of the rally, with basic photos.
Joi Weaver is a graduate of the Torrey Honors Institute at Biola University, and is currently employed as a copywriter in Southern California. She is an avid supporter of new media, and an active participant on many conservative BlogTalkRadio shows.



  • http://dotherightthing-cyberpastor.blogspot.com/ Pastor Ed Boston

    Outstanding report Joi! You did an awesome job reporting for us that couldn’t be there and we know we can’t count on the MSM to give us the real scoop!

  • http://www.theconservativetrucker.com The Conservative Trucker

    Excellent piece of work Joi
    God Bless…!!

  • http://Politicalvindication.com Shane

    Beautifully written, and it touches on an irony that is often overlooked. Hamas terrorists are hiding in the bomb shelters and bunkers built by the Israelis who once lived in Gaza. The Palestinians who flooded into the strip once it was handed over for promises of peace tore down the green houses and destroyed the gardens, but they kept the bomb shelters. They were never counting of there being peace. What they learned then was that terrorism works!
    Anyone who believes that peace is possible with Hamas has not read the Hamas Charter:
    Article Thirteen:
    Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Abusing any part of Palestine is abuse directed against part of religion. Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its religion. Its members have been fed on that. For the sake of hoisting the banner of Allah over their homeland they fight. “Allah will be prominent, but most people do not know.”
    Now and then the call goes out for the convening of an international conference to look for ways of solving the (Palestinian) question. Some accept, others reject the idea, for this or other reason, with one stipulation or more for consent to convening the conference and participating in it. Knowing the parties constituting the conference, their past and present attitudes towards Muslim problems, the Islamic Resistance Movement does not consider these conferences capable of realising the demands, restoring the rights or doing justice to the oppressed. These conferences are only ways of setting the infidels in the land of the Muslims as arbitraters. When did the infidels do justice to the believers?
    “But the Jews will not be pleased with thee, neither the Christians, until thou follow their religion; say, The direction of Allah is the true direction. And verily if thou follow their desires, after the knowledge which hath been given thee, thou shalt find no patron or protector against Allah.” (The Cow – verse 120).
    There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors. The Palestinian people know better than to consent to having their future, rights and fate toyed with. As in said in the honourable Hadith:
    “The people of Syria are Allah’s lash in His land. He wreaks His vengeance through them against whomsoever He wishes among His slaves It is unthinkable that those who are double-faced among them should prosper over the faithful. They will certainly die out of grief and desperation.”
    Any questions?

  • ucfengr

    So what does it all mean? I confess I was boggled by the whole thing at first. Why would people who live in one of the freest countries in the world support one of the most oppressive regimes in history? Do they really think they’d have the freedom to stage this kind of protest in Gaza if Hamas had their way? How long do they think they’d get to wear their trendy low-rider jeans and tight t-shirts? How long would the women be allowed to marry, date, and even speak to whomever they wish?
    That’s the thing that gets me, too. How can liberal secularists support an oppressive, theocratic regime over a liberal, and mostly secular, democracy? The mind boggles.

  • Mike Toreno

    Joi, unfortunately, your report is more a report of your feelings and attitude than a report of objective observations of activities. Take, for example, your observation on the second photograph, used by a protestor to inform Israel that killing children isn’t Kosher. You say that she neglects to explain how using children as human shields is kosher. But this question of yours makes various assumptions for which you don’t provide evidence. For example, you don’t provide any evidence that Hamas uses children as human shields, and you don’t address the morality of bombing children whether or not they are being used as human shields. You simply state your views as if they invalidate the protestor’s views, but they don’t. Your statement of a viewpoint doesn’t invalidate contrary viewpoints.
    Your whole piece shows evidence throughout of a sense of self-importance, and of an utter lack of justification for such self-importance. Your writing shows you to be deficient in both intelligence and integrity – not a big suprise, considering that you attended a retard college, full of retarded students, taught by retarded professors.

  • http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com Dustin Steeve

    “Your whole piece shows evidence throughout of a sense of self-importance, and of an utter lack of justification for such self-importance. Your writing shows you to be deficient in both intelligence and integrity – not a big suprise, considering that you attended a retard college, full of retarded students, taught by retarded professors.”
    It was that last paragraph that really convinced me of the merits of your argument Mike! Well done!

  • Joi

    You want evidence of Hamas using human shields? It’s all over the place.
    Two excellent posts:
    http://infidelsarecool.com/2009/01/12/video-visual-evidence-of-hamas-using-civilians-as-human-shields/
    http://infidelsarecool.com/2009/01/01/hamas-mp-we-used-women-and-children-as-human-shields/
    They not only use women and children as human shields, they are proud of it. “We desire death like you desire life.” Spoken by Hamas MP Fathi Hammad.

  • Eric

    If you lob bombs at people don’t be surprised when they lob them back. Israel has played calm for too many years. I have no problem with them bombing legitimate, military Hamas targets. The responsibility for the deaths of those who were being used as human shields is on the hands of Hamas not Israel.
    When I’m POTUS, my Israel policy will be simple:
    You bomb or shoot at Israel or Israeli’s…you’re on your own dummy.
    My 2 cents…
    Eric

  • Mike Toreno

    Eric, it is fortunate, then, that you will never become president of the US. An appropriate policy for a US president to follow would be something like this:
    I will pursue a foreign policy dedicated to advancing American interests.
    What arguments can you give in support of your belief that an American president should subordinate American interests to those of a foreign country?

  • v_a_k

    Joi,
    I was there, among the small group from which you were also observing. You reflections ring true.
    I was so disheartened by the amount of hate directed at us. It was clearly not a demonstration of peace but rather a call to destroy Israel.
    The following day, I came to the same place to take part in the Pro Israel rally. I do not think that the small group of pro-palestinians at the ‘out-skirts’ felt as bad as our group the day before. I also didn’t see that police had to invest so much in protecting them.
    I saw a reporter which was there both days, and asked her in which rally she felt more comfortable. Reluctantly – she wanted to stay impartial – she said ‘today (sunday) I feel more love’.
    thanks for the report.
    ps – I think it’s safe to say – it’s not likely that Mike Toreno will ever become POTUS

  • Joi

    V_a_k,
    Good to see you here! I don’t know if I met you during the rally–I was the quiet chick with the long blue skirt. :)
    The hate was pretty strong–I didn’t focus too much on that in the report, because it’s very difficult to quantify. I’m not Jewish, but it hurt even me to see such horrible things being said to those who were. We too often think that swastikas and threats of ovens are things of the past, but they most certainly are not. There can be no peace with an enemy whose primary goal is the extermination of every member of a race.
    Peace be with you!

  • ucfengr

    What arguments can you give in support of your belief that an American president should subordinate American interests to those of a foreign country?
    First you have to make the case that Eric’s position subordinates American interests to those of a foreign country. I don’t see how supporting a liberal, western-style democracy in opposing an oppressive, theocratic regime does that. Your policy appears to be that of the man who throws his friends to the alligator in the hopes that the alligator will eat him last.

  • http://politicalpistachio.blogspot.com Douglas V. Gibbs

    Excellent post and pics. Thanks.

  • http://prying1.blogspot.com prying1

    v_a_k,
    You said, “I saw a reporter which was there both days, and asked her in which rally she felt more comfortable. Reluctantly – she wanted to stay impartial – she said ‘today (Sunday) I feel more love’.”
    I have a feeling that is the same blond headed girl I met on Saturday. Worked for a ‘local college’ paper. Wanted to stay impartial but was having a problem doing so. Looked to me like she was questioning some of the things she has learned at her fancy-dancy college … May the Living God touch her heart, open her eyes and lead her to the truth. (If by chance it is two separate people let that prayer work on both of them.)
    Joi! What a pleasure it is to have spent the day with you. Great posting. Wonderful pics. Great commentary. In spite of what a self-important commenter with a lack of justification might post here…
    Mike Toreno, Get a life! If you want to defend terrorists then do so on the lefty blogs where your idiocy won’t be so evident. There it will just mix in with all the rest of the socialist wackos. … I spit at your shoes!
    Dustin Steeve, You stole my thought re: Mike’s judgMENTAL comment… The lefties like to throw “judge not lest ye be judged around”… The only way they can be protected from scrutiny by those they scrutinize is by misusing scripture.

  • Tranquito Sanchez

    What a great piece of anti-progress propaganda. This piece is well written, the underlying bullshit seamlessly covered up with the pretence of actual fact. A job in Fox news awaits someone of your talent in the future.
    War is Peace
    Freedom is Slavery
    Ignorance is Strength

  • Joi

    Progress?? Swastikas are progress? Saying “Go Hitler” is progress?
    Sounds like being stuck in the past to me.
    I will never understand why “progressives” are so opposed to Israel: in the midst of opression of women and minorities, Israel offers full human rights. Homosexuals in Muslim countries are lucky to escape death, while there is a thriving gay community in Israel. In other countries in the area, girls who dare to try to get an education get acid thrown in their faces: Israel has had a woman as Prime Minister.
    You tell me which mindset actually reflects progress.

  • http://andrightlyso.com Bigfoot

    Joi, great article and pics. Yes, it is interesting how the communists, socialists and islamists stick together, even though their beliefs are very different. Even so, I’ve come to realize that there are two things they all have in common – a belief that “the end justifies the means” and an attitude that there is no such thing as legitimate disagreement with their views.
    Prying, as you correctly point out, lefties love that “judge not…” quote, but they themselves are about as judgmental as you can get, when they accuse anyone who disagrees with them of “hate”, “intolerance”, “divisiveness”, etc.

  • Eliana S.

    The irony is that the Nazis were pagan and the core of their anti-semetism was a hatred of monotheism. The Nazi doctrine is focused around the supremacy of the nation-state as opposed to the supremacy of G-d.
    The Muslim doctrine is monotheistic and anti-pagan.
    If it weren’t for their common blind hatred of the Jewish people, these two groups would be massacring each other.

  • http://gawfer.net Gary aka Gawfer

    HA!
    You couaght me as I was about to engage the knucklehead shouting in my ear with a mega-phone. Too bad I’m nearly deph in that ear from Navy Jets, LOL.
    Great pics Joi, and now I have your site.
    BTW, I too listen to Hugh and call in about once a week. Gary from Riverside.
    Peace.

  • Faranya

    Just pointing out, the swastika and mention of Hitler would not have been a dig at the Jews for the Holocaust, many pro-Palestinians see the actions of Israel, using chemical weapons on civilians, bombing homes and opening fire on those evacuating, destroying UN humanitarian aid outposts, etc. as an act of genocide reminiscent of the Nazis. It would have been nothing at all to do with supporting the Nazis, it had everything to do with comparing the Israeli forces to Nazis.
    Now, with that out of the way…
    Being a democracy does not validate war crimes. Not now, not ever.

  • Faranya

    Just pointing out, the swastika and mention of Hitler would not have been a dig at the Jews for the Holocaust, many pro-Palestinians see the actions of Israel, using chemical weapons on civilians, bombing homes and opening fire on those evacuating, destroying UN humanitarian aid outposts, etc. as an act of genocide reminiscent of the Nazis. It would have been nothing at all to do with supporting the Nazis, it had everything to do with comparing the Israeli forces to Nazis.
    Now, with that out of the way…
    Being a democracy does not validate war crimes. Not now, not ever.

  • http://globaloctopus.blogspot.com Grumpy Old Man

    I hold no brief for Hamas, except that it’s a product of years of expulsion and oppression–as well as Muslim Brotherhood ideology.
    I don’t understand the infatuation of some evangelicals for Israel, which is becoming more and more criminal in character every day. Fundamentally, it’s founded on the expulsion of the people who lived there before. Founded by atheists who nevertheless are asserting an essentially Biblical claim, novel in Judaism and contrary to Christianity.
    Are you following the Dispensationalist heresy of the Plymouth Brethren?
    Meanwhile, the Christians are disappearing from the Middle East, and seem to merit little attention.

  • This Blog Sucks

    Only an idiot would fail to see that the Palestine supporters are comparing the US and Israel to Nazis, and NOT cheering on Nazi ideology.
    Your puerile grasp at journalism is pathetic, and you have a wavering handle on the facts. Throughout this post, you’ve demonized socialism, failing to comprehend the difference between National Socialism (facism) and socialism, which, by the way seems to be doing ok in France, Sweden, Norway, etc (where they all enjoy a higher quality of life than in the U.S.).
    Even if all this was true- that they are socialist nazi demons who hate the jews, so fricking what? I’ve never heard of a Jew who can’t wait to embrace an Arab.
    In fact, the opposite seems true. I can tell you are of limited intelligence so let me break it down into pablum so you can easily digest it:
    Jews have a book basically saying that this strip of sand belongs to them, it was written by God, so about 120 years ago, a few tens of thousand Jews show up and set up shop in Palestine. This is the first Aliyah, then about 20 years or so later, the second Aliyah shows up and doubles the number of Jews in Arab land. Third and fourth Aliyah brings about 100k more in a country roughly the size of Vermont. Most of these people are socialist (Ever hear of Kibbutz—ZOMG SOCIALISZM IZ EVIL!! BUT NOT IF JEWS DO IT)
    The Arabs are like WTF mate? But ok whatevs…
    Then the goddamn Nazis showed up and a quarter of a million Jews invaded Arab land, fleeing these pricks. Western states got together and said hey this Israel is a good idea, recognized it as a state, and promptly encouraged the emigration of a couple million more Jewish people from around the world to settle in Arab land THE SIZE OF VERMONT between 1940 and 1960.
    Now, this massive emigration caused the Palestine economy to collapse, and finally, the Palestinians (no longer recognized as a country) said enough is enough.
    Now, my dear, liberal, Israel loving, bias little twitwad, I would love to know how you would feel if all of a sudden, 10 million Mexicans showed up in Southern California and crashed your economy.
    Or are you one of those who complain about the all the Hispanics in Southern Cali even though they were there first, and even though they support your economy by doing your damn dishes, mowing your lawn, etc.
    But I digress.
    The bottom line is, the US (and other western countries) established Israel illegally in Arab land in 1947, and we have been supporting the Zion expansion both militarily and financially ever since. Jews have been exercising their will over Palestine without regard to it’s boarders for nearly 150 years. And western media has been covering the news from a pro-Israel viewpoint for nearly as long.
    Enough is enough.

  • http://peacepropagation.com linette schavo

    there is no such evidence that Hamas was attaching the Israel,,,,i guess its all about Israel and the media who knows really well how to make and break the news.

  • just passing by

    i attended both rallies, your reports are bias. i went for peace purposes. if it were the arabs who started bombing at the jews, i would have been there side by side with a fellow jew. race does not matter to me, however peace does. our dear president, said in one of his inspirational speeches, that we will work to erase the line of tribes…meaning that race wont be a factor. joi, you have the smarts to do some good. instead of writing some BS propaganda, why dont you do some good for humanity. why dont you stop being closed minded and open up. again you have the ability, and the power to turn this piece into a pro peace article. do some good man. if not for yourself, do it for your kids. i dont want to take sides here, but you have to be an idiot to disagree with the FACT that Palestine was there first. like the brother in the above post said, only after the nazis did the west illegally decide to cram up the land, and call a chunk of it israel. just to mention that the borders that were stated in the UN partition plan in 47, has been well invaded on by Israeli settlers.
    http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/media/landloss.gif
    now really, you tell me, would you not fight back? would you not go up against a tank, tie a bomb to yourself, only to save your mother, sister, father, home and everything else you worked for? you dont have guns, you dont have any other means of defense…what would you do. the same example above….would you not fight back against the mexicans? like the underground rapper said,
    “They say the rebels in Iraq still fight for Saddam
    But that’s bullshit, I’ll show you why it’s totally wrong
    Cuz if another country invaded the hood tonight
    It’d be warfare through Harlem, and Washington Heights
    I wouldn’t be fightin’ for Bush or White America’s dream
    I’d be fightin’ for my people’s survival and self-esteem
    I wouldn’t fight for racist churches from the south, my nigga
    I’d be fightin’ to keep the occupation out, my nigga”-immortal technique
    the palestinians fight to keep whats theirs. now i ask you, put your pride aside. keep your race, religion, culture, all at home. and if you must do some press work, do it in a honest way. you have a great talent here…..dont let it go to waste.
    my to cents- shahab s.

  • Dan

    To “just passing by,” it WAS the Arabs who attacked the Jews. Hamas to be exact. Palestine was NOT there first. “Palestine” was a name created by the Greeks and used by the Roman Empire to supress Jewish Nationalism. Jews AND non-Jews were there first. Israel is a land that’s sacred to Jews, Christians, AND Muslims, but groups like Hamas, the Hezbollah, and other jihadists want to put the whole place under Shariah Law. All you so-called “progressives” who side with Hamas, the Hezbollah, and Al-Qaida are using that term as a misnomer. You’re liars and traitors, and they DO side with Nazis!

  • A Christian Supporter of Palestine

    What a biased, sensationalizing, poorly-written report. A lot of the images and quotes used were taken out of context. I fail to see how the rally was anti-American. And by the way, that rally was pro-Palestine, not “pro-Hamas.” Hamas is a terrorist organization that has called for the destruction of Israel and should be permanently disbanded and put down. There is a huge difference between supporting the oppressed, powerless people of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, and supporting a terrorist group. In all your photographs was there a single “Go Hamas!” or “Up the Hezbollah militants!” poster or slogan? No! Hamas and Hezbollah militants using civilians as “human shields” is irreprehensible, but how is that different from Israeli armed forces killing over a thousand civilians and over 300 children during their latest Gaza Strip offensive. In fact, the United Nations have accused the Israeli Army of using human shields. Don’t believe me? Go to: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7960824.stm for the BBC news article. The Israeli army also allegedly used phosphorus bombs which are illegal under UN sanctions. The “Israel Defense Forces” are also under UN investigation for shelling UN-sponsored schools and hospitals where civilians had taken shelter. But the Gaza massacres perpetrated by the Israeli army aren’t the worst of it. For over four decades Palestinian civilians have been oppressed and put down by the Israeli state. Internationally-ILLEGAL Israeli settlements started flourishing in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip in 1967, shortly after the Six Day War. About 280,000 Israelis currently reside in 121 officially-recognized settlements in the West Bank (“Israel rejects US call over settlement work” BBC news, May 28, 2009). There are also 102 unauthorised settlements of Israelis in the West Bank (though not recognized by Israel). The population of illegal West Bank Israeli settlements has been growing at a 5-6% rate since 2001 (source: Peace Now). 500,000 Jews live in over 100 settlements in the West Bank and Arab East Jerusalem. Though they are all ILLEGAL under international law, Israel has done NOTHING except expand these settlements and build more, as well as providing military defense of these invasive communities. Under the United States-supported “roadmap peace plan” of 2203, Israel must end all settlement activity. Unfortunately, those are just words. The U.S. has supported Israel for decades financially, militarily, and politically. Why would pro-Palestinians be proud to support the United States when the United States has been supporting an oppressive, domineering state- Israel? But apparently there is a proud American among the pro-Palestine protesters because in the 8th picture from the top clearly is an American flag waving proudly right to the right of the yellow truck. Israel has an apartheid system and have been building a “security wall” of concrete and barbed wire for several years to fence in Palestinians. As a democratic American citizen and a Christian (I am a member of United Church of Rogers Park, a United Methodist church in Chicago) I must stand up for the poor, oppressed Palestinian civilians who have committed no crime or sin. The Israeli occupation must end and there must be justice and peace in that land. Intifadas must end and militants- both Palestinian and Israeli- must be brought to justice for their crimes. I pray for Palestine every night. I hope any readers of this blog will find this post helpful. God bless.

  • A Christian Supporter of Palestine

    Upon more thoroughly reading these blog postings, I must say brava! Faranya! I agree with everything you said. Good points, “just passing by” and “Tranquito Sanchez,” though I think you should watch your language which kind of lowers your credibility. Although crudely expressed “Tranquito,” your comments are hilarious and sadly mostly true. As for “Linette Schavo,” it’s racist comments like yours that Christian and Jewish Zionists use to call us pro-Palestinians “anti-semites.” Granted, some pro-Palestinians are unfortunately bigoted and anti-semitic, but the majority of us are not. Shame on you, Ms. Schavo. Other than that, interesting comments from both sides. God bless

  • http://theaugurswell.com/ Leslie H.

    When you consider what true muslims think about the liberal lifestyle, you are left wondering why the left is always taking up for muslim extremists. There is only one possible answer, both groups’ hatred for Christians and Jews. Like it or not, it call comes down to faith even for the “enlightened” atheists

  • A Christian Supporter of Palestine

    Do you even know any Muslims? Islam is a fascinating religion with a wonderfully rich and diverse culture. They do not have “hatred for Christians and Jews.” That is a sweeping stereotype. Only Muslim extremists and jihadists (a very small minority of Muslims) spite the western world and its religions of Christianity and Judaism. I am friends with two lovely Muslim females with whom I often converse with. Though Muslims have not accepted Christ Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior, that does not make them automatic Christian/Jew-haters. Such close-mindedness and stereotypes give the Christian right wing a bad rap. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Meanwhile, we can pray for the militants and extremists of jihad who wish to do us harm. We should not lump all Muslims together. God bless.

  • Alex

    I happen to know several muslims and they are very nice people. However, there are also a large number, at least an adequate number, of them that aren’t nice and they are a problem. I’ve also met a couple of muslims from the middle east who converted to Christianity and were almost killed by their families. Don’t fall into your own trap. Not all muslims are extremists, but our friends shouldn’t make us ignorant to the dangers.

    Several of the pro palestinian posters have good points but their tone also shows why I generally support Israel. Yes, several Western nations especially Britain jumped on board with the Zionist movement after World War II. In retrospect that was a mistake we should never have been a part of that. I sympathize with those Palestinians who were displaced because of that policy.

    But that was then and this is now. You aren’t going to get the Israelis to pack up and move at this point and the amount of hate coming from the pro palestinian side is not helpful. Earlier in the conflict there was an opportunity for a two State solution and the Palestinians/other muslim nations rejected it. A solution along those lines is probably the best we can hope for. Part of me would like to say lets just get out of the way and let the countries solve it themselves. The downside is that Israel has nukes and nations like Iran are probably going to have them. Personally, I want a strong Israel in the region to support us; because the extremist nations will not stop coming after us just because Israel is gone. I’m sure their are people on both sides of this conflict today who are in the wrong. However, from a practical stand point the bad apples on the Palestinian side are more dangerous to ME. You can call that selfish but I won’t apologize for it. The tone of several pro palestinian posters supports that belief. It also supports what the original writer said about the hate at the rally.

  • A Christian Supporter of Palestine

    “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”- Jesus Christ, Matthew 22:36-40

    “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.” – Jesus Christ, Matthew 5:43

    “‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.” – the Apostle Paul, Romans 13:8-10

    According to the Bible, we as Christians are expected to love all of God’s people- God’s creation- and pray for those who persecute us. That would include the minority of Muslims who are jihadists and militants. And the “hateful” tone at the rally in LA hurts our cause as well as seems a contradiction to the cause of peace and justice- but it does not excuse the war crimes and injustices Israel has committed against the Palestinian people. Such crimes and apartheid are far worse than the angry shouts, angry signs, and angry slogans at the rally. Peace will be very difficult to achieve in Israel and Palestine, but I believe that someday it can be achieved. God bless.

  • Rick Carpenter

    Alex said: “Personally, I want a strong Israel in the region to support us; because the extremist nations will not stop coming after us just because Israel is gone.”

    I’ve heard of the phrase: “First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people”

  • Lineswine

    You really, really have it in for socialists, don’t you?
    You DO know that socialism, as such, is to communism what republicianism is to fascism, yes?
    Oh, maybe not…you right-wing media don’t let you know that & also, if you’ve not lived anywhere that isn’t as right-wing as America you wouldn’t know what socialism was in the 1st place.
    America is a great place to live…if you can afford the luxuries of healthcare, good education etc. If you can’t you’re stuffed.