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> <channel><title>Comments on: On Christian Singleness and Secular Sexuality</title> <atom:link href="http://evangelicaloutpost.com/archives/2009/06/3348.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://evangelicaloutpost.com/archives/2009/06/3348.html</link> <description>reflections on culture, politics, and religion from an evangelical worldview</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:34:18 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Jason</title><link>http://evangelicaloutpost.com/archives/2009/06/3348.html/comment-page-1#comment-100951</link> <dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 01:32:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://evangelicaloutpost.com/?p=3348#comment-100951</guid> <description>Oh, and one more thing...Check out chapter Five of Families at the Crossroads.  The chapter is titled, &quot;The Superiority of Singleness.&quot;  It goes on to explain why Paul stated that being single is better than being married, and, at the same time, why it is not a sin for people to marry.  Good stuff!http://books.google.com/books?id=l4vwFgDW0tQC&amp;pg=PA89&amp;lpg=PA89&amp;dq=the+superiority+of+singleness&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=E970GroRCX&amp;sig=IpmJSV4nrF6I00sk_vmTKnkrabk&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=DDCXSuDwM9mfmAet_rmqBQ&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1#v=onepage&amp;q=the%20superiority%20of%20singleness&amp;f=false</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and one more thing&#8230;</p><p>Check out chapter Five of Families at the Crossroads.  The chapter is titled, &#8220;The Superiority of Singleness.&#8221;  It goes on to explain why Paul stated that being single is better than being married, and, at the same time, why it is not a sin for people to marry.  Good stuff!</p><p><a
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isPermaLink="false">http://evangelicaloutpost.com/?p=3348#comment-100950</guid> <description>Joi,I loved this post!  There are so many amazing examples of people living celibate lifestyles for the sake of the Kingdom of God.  St. Augustine, as you mentioned, along with John Wesley, the founder of the Methodist Church.  Anglican monks and nuns, continue the tradition of a celibate lifestyle, along with Shane Claiborne and the wave of new monasticism.So much can be done for proclaiming the person of Christ and the glorious Gospel by being called to a celibate lifestyle!  How curious that being celibate for Jesus Christ was valued so highly in the days of the early church.It&#039;s a profound and brilliant calling!  Blessings.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joi,</p><p>I loved this post!  There are so many amazing examples of people living celibate lifestyles for the sake of the Kingdom of God.  St. Augustine, as you mentioned, along with John Wesley, the founder of the Methodist Church.  Anglican monks and nuns, continue the tradition of a celibate lifestyle, along with Shane Claiborne and the wave of new monasticism.</p><p>So much can be done for proclaiming the person of Christ and the glorious Gospel by being called to a celibate lifestyle!  How curious that being celibate for Jesus Christ was valued so highly in the days of the early church.</p><p>It&#8217;s a profound and brilliant calling!  Blessings.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mr. Incredible</title><link>http://evangelicaloutpost.com/archives/2009/06/3348.html/comment-page-1#comment-100611</link> <dc:creator>Mr. Incredible</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:20:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://evangelicaloutpost.com/?p=3348#comment-100611</guid> <description>ex-preacher says:
June 17, 2009 at 11:50 am
Joi writes: “On the one hand, secular society sees no particular harm in remaining unmarried for life, provided that one is sexually active.”On behalf on “secular society,” please know that we don’t care whether or not you are sexually active. In fact, some of us rather like the idea of the most religiously devoted people removing themselves from the gene pool. Feel free to obey Jesus’ hint about making yourselves eunuchs for the kingdom.
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You pervert His words.ex-preacher says:
June 17, 2009 at 11:50 am
In the meantime, how about we all agree to respect the right of consenting, sane adults to make their own choices regarding sex?
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Who&#039;s stopping them from choosing as an operation of the mind?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ex-preacher says:<br
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/> Who&#8217;s stopping them from choosing as an operation of the mind?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Doug Robinson</title><link>http://evangelicaloutpost.com/archives/2009/06/3348.html/comment-page-1#comment-100583</link> <dc:creator>Doug Robinson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:36:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://evangelicaloutpost.com/?p=3348#comment-100583</guid> <description>The Puritians and many others, stressed marriage as being a necessary state for most men who were otherwise naturally prone to self indulgence and sloth.  It was thought that men needed the responsibilities of marriage and family to cultivate masculinity and maturity which is grounded in self sacrifice on behalf of others. It was thought that men needed the responsibility of caring for women more than women needed men. This is the root of the idea that married men make better disciplined soldiers, than single men, as they have more to fight for and more to return to after war is over.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Puritians and many others, stressed marriage as being a necessary state for most men who were otherwise naturally prone to self indulgence and sloth.  It was thought that men needed the responsibilities of marriage and family to cultivate masculinity and maturity which is grounded in self sacrifice on behalf of others. It was thought that men needed the responsibility of caring for women more than women needed men. This is the root of the idea that married men make better disciplined soldiers, than single men, as they have more to fight for and more to return to after war is over.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Doug Robinson</title><link>http://evangelicaloutpost.com/archives/2009/06/3348.html/comment-page-1#comment-100582</link> <dc:creator>Doug Robinson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:25:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://evangelicaloutpost.com/?p=3348#comment-100582</guid> <description>Demographics are an excellent way to look at many issues.  Early American Puritans stressed marriage in opposition to singleness and the typical puritan man had two or three wives--in succession--as many women died in childbirth.  This had a marked effect on the ratio of men to women.  Infant mortality was also high and children were not named until their first birthday to see first it they would be survivors.  It eased the emotional bonds and attached grieving process as some many young children died--as did their mothers.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Demographics are an excellent way to look at many issues.  Early American Puritans stressed marriage in opposition to singleness and the typical puritan man had two or three wives&#8211;in succession&#8211;as many women died in childbirth.  This had a marked effect on the ratio of men to women.  Infant mortality was also high and children were not named until their first birthday to see first it they would be survivors.  It eased the emotional bonds and attached grieving process as some many young children died&#8211;as did their mothers.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: smmtheory</title><link>http://evangelicaloutpost.com/archives/2009/06/3348.html/comment-page-1#comment-100449</link> <dc:creator>smmtheory</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:06:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://evangelicaloutpost.com/?p=3348#comment-100449</guid> <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Surely you don’t really want to maintain that biological descendants are necessary to have lasting impact on the world.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I think that Ex-Preacher instead wanted to maintain that religious belief is a genetic characteristic that is inferior to the genetic characteristic of non-belief in religion... that somehow we are less evolved than atheists.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Surely you don’t really want to maintain that biological descendants are necessary to have lasting impact on the world.</p></blockquote><p>I think that Ex-Preacher instead wanted to maintain that religious belief is a genetic characteristic that is inferior to the genetic characteristic of non-belief in religion&#8230; that somehow we are less evolved than atheists.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joi</title><link>http://evangelicaloutpost.com/archives/2009/06/3348.html/comment-page-1#comment-100431</link> <dc:creator>Joi</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 02:19:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://evangelicaloutpost.com/?p=3348#comment-100431</guid> <description>&quot;In fact, some of us rather like the idea of the most religiously devoted people removing themselves from the gene pool. Feel free to obey Jesus’ hint about making yourselves eunuchs for the kingdom.&quot;That&#039;s the best you can do? A worn-out ad hominem attack?Surely you don&#039;t really want to maintain that biological descendants are necessary to have lasting impact on the world. Aquinas, Queen Elizabeth, and Joan of Arc would put paid to that assertion pretty quickly: none of them had children, yet each had an impact on the world that lasts to this day. Or do you really want to maintain that the Octomom has a greater impact on the world than a parish priest?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In fact, some of us rather like the idea of the most religiously devoted people removing themselves from the gene pool. Feel free to obey Jesus’ hint about making yourselves eunuchs for the kingdom.&#8221;</p><p>That&#8217;s the best you can do? A worn-out ad hominem attack?</p><p>Surely you don&#8217;t really want to maintain that biological descendants are necessary to have lasting impact on the world. Aquinas, Queen Elizabeth, and Joan of Arc would put paid to that assertion pretty quickly: none of them had children, yet each had an impact on the world that lasts to this day. Or do you really want to maintain that the Octomom has a greater impact on the world than a parish priest?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: smmtheory</title><link>http://evangelicaloutpost.com/archives/2009/06/3348.html/comment-page-1#comment-100421</link> <dc:creator>smmtheory</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:21:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://evangelicaloutpost.com/?p=3348#comment-100421</guid> <description>There you have it Joi, secular society prefers different wording.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There you have it Joi, secular society prefers different wording.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ex-preacher</title><link>http://evangelicaloutpost.com/archives/2009/06/3348.html/comment-page-1#comment-100419</link> <dc:creator>ex-preacher</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:50:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://evangelicaloutpost.com/?p=3348#comment-100419</guid> <description>Joi writes: &quot;On the one hand, secular society sees no particular harm in remaining unmarried for life, provided that one is sexually active.&quot;On behalf on &quot;secular society,&quot; please know that we don&#039;t care whether or not you are sexually active. In fact, some of us rather like the idea of the most religiously devoted people removing themselves from the gene pool. Feel free to obey Jesus&#039; hint about making yourselves eunuchs for the kingdom. In the meantime, how about we all agree to respect the right of consenting, sane adults to make their own choices regarding sex?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joi writes: &#8220;On the one hand, secular society sees no particular harm in remaining unmarried for life, provided that one is sexually active.&#8221;</p><p>On behalf on &#8220;secular society,&#8221; please know that we don&#8217;t care whether or not you are sexually active. In fact, some of us rather like the idea of the most religiously devoted people removing themselves from the gene pool. Feel free to obey Jesus&#8217; hint about making yourselves eunuchs for the kingdom. In the meantime, how about we all agree to respect the right of consenting, sane adults to make their own choices regarding sex?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jason</title><link>http://evangelicaloutpost.com/archives/2009/06/3348.html/comment-page-1#comment-100411</link> <dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:59:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://evangelicaloutpost.com/?p=3348#comment-100411</guid> <description>This is an interesting post because of the conflicts inherent in evangalical protestantism.The post is right that in Christianity there is a long tradition of celibacy. However, protestantism divorced itself from that tradition in the Reformation. In fact, celibacy was one of the issues being protested. It began with dissent from a celibate priesthood that spread to all facets of protestant life. Put simply, there is no protestant or evangelical tradition of lifelong celibacy.In evangelical circles celibacy is generally considered disordered to the extent that some more radical fundamentalist elements believe it to be unbiblical (in spite of explicit scriptural advocacy) and even satanic.You did raise an important consideration for those who reject the idea of lifelong celibacy. If lifelong celibacy was wrong, then there should be an opportunity for all Christians to be &quot;equally yoked.&quot; This statistical impossibility is food for thought.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting post because of the conflicts inherent in evangalical protestantism.</p><p>The post is right that in Christianity there is a long tradition of celibacy. However, protestantism divorced itself from that tradition in the Reformation. In fact, celibacy was one of the issues being protested. It began with dissent from a celibate priesthood that spread to all facets of protestant life. Put simply, there is no protestant or evangelical tradition of lifelong celibacy.</p><p>In evangelical circles celibacy is generally considered disordered to the extent that some more radical fundamentalist elements believe it to be unbiblical (in spite of explicit scriptural advocacy) and even satanic.</p><p>You did raise an important consideration for those who reject the idea of lifelong celibacy. If lifelong celibacy was wrong, then there should be an opportunity for all Christians to be &#8220;equally yoked.&#8221; This statistical impossibility is food for thought.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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